Posted by Pls READ before voting! - Marking slot changers

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 08:52:09
We all know that the admins have decided to start polling on some user suggestions. Great, that's good as they can get a general idea of what users do and do not like in a place that more users see/have access to.

The recent poll features a suggestion that I have seen before and I personally have turned it down every time. For those who don't know or haven't seen the poll, the suggestion is to add a new item: the marking slot changer. The poll alone asks if this should be implemented, should there be restrictions and even goes to list a possible restriction.

I know that the poll alone doesn't mean the admins really will implement it or not, as ultimately it's up to them, but the poll gives at least a general idea, and idk about any of you, but I'm concerned about the poll's current results.

Sure, having a marking slot changer would be helpful for when you make mistakes, we are all human and yes they can happen. However..... there is a major downside that will outweigh any good that this item will bring, one that even the admins admitted. (I should make it clear that I'm not bashing or hating on, just point out the facts).

The biggest con, the one that should have been an automatic rejection for every thread for this suggestion had: Any sort of marking slot changer alone will maybe not completely ruin the marking market....but it definitely will make markings and slot rarity practically worthless and will make breeding know-how obsolete.

This game is not meant to be easy, the breeding is supposed to be difficult. This item is practically a handout, even if it is worth gb. There is a reason certain markings only appear in certain slots, and have rare slots. That's what aids in the markings staying rare or not as common.

If such an item is made...you might as well make it so we can pick the marking from an event marking applicator, or add all breed only markings to all applicators, because now a marking slot changer can move a mottled rosette to another slot besides slot 6, the ONLY current slot for that marking (that I'm currently aware of). A marking slot changer...well now you have a chance at a double mottled lion, something that only a special lioness from the raffles should allow you to do imo.

Getting to the point, this suggestion is mainly for admins to NOT implement such an item. Honestly, and I know I admitted accidents happen, but it falls on us to pay attention and make sure we add the right marking to the right slot.

I honestly do not want a slot changer item at all....but if you must add it.....please only make it for oasis custom markings and worth more than the marking remover and marking applicator combined, as those are basically a roundabout way of changing slots.

Please either voice your support for the admins to not add a marking slot changer...or if you want a slot changer, please voice why as I personally would love to know other than to make the game easier as like I said, this game was not meant to be easy.... If you would rather voice your lack of support to me in pm, please feel free. I won't respond to them, I will just submit them anonymously here for others to see the arguments. No one will know it's you.

Other suggestions:

"Hm. Maybe if it was implemented, they could have a restriction so that a special marking can only be moved to a slot it's already released in." - Katze

"Maybe make a slot changer an Event thing, kind of like the November marking applicator? Only 1 lion a year or really expensive w/ event currency?" - Detective

Thanks again you guys!

And please....keep it civil...we don't want this getting shut down.



This suggestion has 341 supports and 90 NO supports.



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:34:09 by Kat [Septa FO] (#49358)

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Posted on
2016-03-26 08:55:14
Insta-support.



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 15:55:30 by 。:.* Crux *.:。 (#54575)

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Posted on
2016-03-26 08:58:44
Agreed.

The game would have no purpose with this. What would there be to work towards?

It really wouldn't be a breeding sim if this was implemented.



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Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 09:01:44
The game might not have been meant originally to be solely a breeding sim, and Idk that I can really call it a breeding sim, BUT breeding has a whole lot to do with how many users do in this game, i.e. make beetles and such. Many people make breeding projects for the challenge, and with this item...its no longer a challenge. Yes, some people can choose to use it, sounds simple...but....it doesn't change the fact value of rare slot markings will plummet. :/



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Khellandros 🍷
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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:03:13
Support. Imagine a quad mottled - this type of thing can easily happen with slot changers.



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Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 09:04:59
@Khell, that's exactly my point. Granted yes mottled is hard to pass, but the slot changer still makes it a possibility.



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~PantherLily~ (#4155)

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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:08:56
Supported! And to add on to the Mottled argument, Mottled can easily be passed by Leopons. So while Mottled may be hard to pass, if someone breeds Leopons with Mottled in such and such slot, you could very well have a quad Mottled within months.



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Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 09:10:04
@Panther, thanks for adding that! It just sounds like a game breaking item :P



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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:15:24
Yup - good points.

The market for lions is already shit, no need to kick it while it's down. Some of the only barely withstanding markets at the moment are hard-to-pass markings like rosettes/rare slotted marks/hard to pass bases. The only reason these markets aren't crap yet is because;

1) Although Ochre Gnawrocks are at ready use to guarantee a mark's passing, they're still highly valued so most users resort to attempting to naturally breed for the markings, rather than paying for it.

2) There hasn't been an item like the Gnawrocks that revolves around passing bases. Yet.

3) The marking slot changer hasn't been implemented w/o restrictions yet.

You're basically completely demolishing the market for rare-slotted marks if this is implemented w/o restrictions. Just seems silly to me. If anything, it shouldn't be implemented unless it's only for Oasis markings only. Otherwise, it's a tool for lazy people to use when they don't want to go through the process of removing/re-applying a marking. :p



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:16:31 by 。:.* Crux *.:。 (#54575)

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:16:27
@Crux, exactly, and that's why I said if implemented for custom marks only, should be worth more than the 4gb for the applicator and remover.



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2016-03-26 09:23:30
Personally, the main reason why I supported a slot changer without restrictions, is because of the wardrobe. I can spend hours in there, just playing around with lions and creating small characters in a sort of fantasy (or recreating characters/ocs) and, after creating many beautiful lions, I realise that the majority of them are impossible to recreate via breeding. If the slot changer was implemented as unrestricted,, whilst I would still have to work for the markings and the GB to fund the slot changers, those georgeous lions that I create in the wardrobe are possible.

And honestly, nothing short of nuking all the lions across Lioden will have any chance of fixing the market we have. And I cannot see anything changing because the admins would have to take such drastic actions that they would risk losing GB paying players just to fix the economy.
Besides, I feel that an unrestricted slot changer would, at least, temporarily help the market (hear me out for a second). Firstly, the right markings need to be on the lion first. So there is at least still a challenge at getting the markings. But as the slot changer costs GB (guessing 3-5) and it would be expensive to get 8 markings changed in slots for about 3 lions (a king and 2 lionesses) people would be more inclined to search for lions with markings in the slots they want. Now due to the large number of possibilities you can get after the introduction of the slot changer, it is unlikely that there will be a great number of lions with the markings you want in the slots you want. Do you see what I mean? The market has been focalised somewhat for what you want. This means that the value of lions rise as a whole because they naturally become more unique.

But that's just my thoughts on the slot changer and why I support it. I understand why people disagree and hate the idea, but I legitimately feel that an unrestricted slot changer could be more beneficial than negative.



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:24:32 by Blue Pigeon 🐦 🚮 (#68580)

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 09:26:03
@Blue, although we disagree, I do appreciate you taking the time to make a reply. I myself won't make a rebuttal, my primary reason for this thread is so that the admins can see our reasons rather than just numbers.



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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:28:25
If this is over ruled, the least they could do to reduce inflation is make it oasis only. I think people should work hard for the special marks on their lions, you shouldn't have one of the hardest to get markings just because you bought an applicator.
If this Marking Slot Changer becomes a new thing, I suggest:
1. Make it oasis only markings
2. Make it worth like 100 GB if special marks are included
3. Limit the amount of Marking Slot Changers you put on a single lion. Like for example, you can only use the Marking Slot Changer on X lioness one time, so X lioness wont be filled with 10 special markings but one.

Also, I hoped they don't make an item like the gnawrock that revolved around passing bases. Same thing goes, people should work hard for the special bases. I am a skyward base breeder, and believe me, its really hard. If people want a special base, they can work hard for it too.

Wouldn't you feel much more proud of yourself if you said that "You bred the special mark/base" rather than saying "I bought an applicator"?



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:34:22 by |SF| .:Kireina:. (#66700)

Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:30:30
Another bad suggestion that's going to be implemented, just like the fertility reduction one. Urrrrrgh.

Support. I personally only wanted it for Custom marks, as that would have been nice if you bought a lion from someone but you wanted their, say, Onyx Brindle in a different slot.

EDIT: Katze's suggestion is a really good one. That would make it a lot less infuriating for a lot of people, I think. Once per lion, only in a slot it's already available in. That I would be good with supporting. I'm always disappointed in how Celestial Shine is usually in like, slot 2. haha.



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:31:33 by Thalath (#41669)

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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Posted on
2016-03-26 09:32:11
@Thalath, I thought it was a good idea too. Kind of reaches a middle ground and it's a nice compromise.



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venna (#15577)

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2016-03-26 13:08:02
Totally support. I sincerely hope that if they add this it will only be for Oasis markings. This whole thing though honestly makes me so mad. It's just rewarding the players who complain about stuff at the expense of the players who work for stuff. If this were to happen a lot of people would probably quit, similar to the stats situation a while back.



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