Posted by -STUCK- Mutation Suggestions Masterpost - Spoilers

Xylax (#4)

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2016-09-02 00:45:59
WARNING - ALL LINKS ON THE LIST MAY CONTAIN DISTURBING PHOTOS OF MUTATED INDIVIDUALS. YOU ARE OPENING THE PHOTOS WITH RISK OF SEEING SOMETHING THAT MIGHT UPSET YOU. THESE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS AND NOT SOFTENED DRAWINGS OF CUTE BABBY LIONS

These are suggestions accepted, planned or considered with very high chance of success.
All approved mutations (or partially approved threads) receive a [vv] symbol. Duplicates I will just lock cause no point for me to have more than 1 of the same suggestion - don't get upset your suggestion is locked and other isn't - the idea is the same and it won, that's what counts!

If I did not approve your mutation it means I am thinking about it, waiting for more player thoughts or I didn't see it yet :o
2020 note: I stopped updating this thread too often, but did a clean up in May

Also, we have some mutations planned or are thinking about some, that aren't on the list, such as sub-mutations, rare conditions, spoilers that would ruin fun or challenges we're unsure of.

Visible since birth


Hairless - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Hairy Tail - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Ear Tufts - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Polydactyly - could give stat boost on birth - Art change: Birth to Adult. Possible pose preference to show off paws at nicer angle.
Brachycephaly - (1 mane version) - Game Effect: like Blind - Art change: Birth to Adult
Syndactyly - LINK - Game Effect: like Blind - Art change: Birth to Adult
Cleft Nose - LINK - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult. Possible pose preference to show off nose at nicer angle.
Double Ears - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Curled Tail - LINK - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Arachnodactyly - Game Effect: stat penalty on birth - Art change: Birth to Adult
Double Canines - game effect: hunting/patrolling/battling boosts - Art change: Lineart only, cub to adult.
Cutaneous Asthenia - Limbs that look like wings - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Leucism - like Achromia and just cover the lion with half transparent light version - Art change: Lineart Cover only, cub to adult.
Erythrism - all the dark colours have red/yellow tint - no game effect - Art change: marking recolours for all stages

Primordial Dwarfism - Game Effect: Pygmy lions, adults looking a bit like cubs still - works like Blind + cannot even breed. Dies early at 6-8 years. Big stat penalty.


Visible at Adulthood


Acromegaly - very overgrown lion, 1mane version for any type. Art change: Adult Female/Male stages different - no game effect
Overgrown Tongue - no game effect - Art change: different lineart
Excess fur for males - Hypertrichosis - planned as an applicator to match Overgrown Fur on females. Art change: Adult Male stage different. 1 mane version for any type.
Roman Nose - no game effect - Art change: Adult Female/Male stages altered. Possible pose preference to show off the nose at nicer angler.


Can show at cub-teen stages


Curly Fur - LINK - no game effect - shows at 1 year - Art change: Base only, Teen to Adult. 1 mane version.
Elongated Tail - Art change: only tail art altered - shows at 3 months - no game effect


LETHAL


Those cubs will be removed from Cub Training
Phocomelia - deformed limbs - dies at 3 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Progeria - aging super fast - dies at 1.5 year (can’t age with item) - Art: Cub and Teen versions, Cub Newborn and Young slightly altered lineart.
Amelia - lacking limbs - dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Cebocephaly - LINK - eyes close together, squished face - dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Noseless - LINK dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version

Proteus Syndrome - whole body deformation - game effect: can’t hunt or patrol, can’t be retired into. Health messages through life - dies randomly between 2 to 8 years - Art change: Birth to Adult
Radial Hypoplasia - aka Squitten - causes short legs while hind legs are long. Cannot hunt, patrol etc, just like a Blind lion. Can generate birth message, dies randomly between 1 to 8 years - Art change: Birth to Adult


Minimal art change or not visible


The thought behind those is that those mutations could be caused by breeding to old lionesses or inbreeding via user suggestions

Cross-Eyed - Art change: could be eyes-like decors layered over the lineart, responsive to the actual eye colours - stat penalty - can't be retired into, can hunt or patrol though.

Hybrids


Things are brewing! This is kept spoiler-free.

Primal variants


There's a few more variants designed and named after ancient beasts or latin/greek words, each will have a unique trait or source.

Chimera issue


Chimera is one of most suggested mutations. The issue is that it would require two sets of lion information: Two bases, set of markings each, separate eye colours etc. Sounds like a very serious problem when coding the information - the extra tables have to be coded there, but not show up in normal lions. It is VERY difficult to do that.

Method 1 - code-wise the most complex way, not even sure if possible how I imagine - adjust the lion profile by adding another table if mutation is present to show both genetics - right side is from father, left side from mother, to make it easier just copy 100% of each parent’s looks onto respectable half (unless possible, just have normal bred looks). When bred, this lion would pass only one half of the genetics (randomly picked by script).

Method 2 - easy for coding, fast to implement. Make for example 10 versions of each half show up like Achromia - covering the original picture with a random half on top of the lineart. The genetics and markings show in a normal way on the original art, and the chimera half is just separate and not affecting gameplay. If bred, only the actual information passes, and the chimera half would not.

Method 3 - create a "shadow" lion, hidden on the account, that acts as 2nd set of the Chimerism genetics. While breeding, the script picks one of the two lions, either main or shadow. The "shadow" genetics could be viewable via a special button click. We're probably not able to add another lion info chart on the lion's page just for this mutation.

Summary: We're thinking. It's a lot of work. Not anytime soon. :(





Spoilers


Dorsal Fur - Full design - Added!
Phocomelia - Full design
Progeria - Concepts
Hairless - Concept
Brachycephaly - Concept

Note: I might update this from time to time



This suggestion has 3406 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/12/23 @ 12:50:13 by a Moderator

Heidi (#102508)

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Posted on
2017-08-04 11:07:55
aa i love this !! also, maybe the short spine mutation could be an "instant death" mutation - like, your lioness has cubs, and instead of the normal mutation note it says something like "your lioness gave birth to one extra cub, but it died too early due to its short spine" ??



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Chops (#121379)

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Posted on
2017-08-10 18:43:08
IRL breeder here, was suuuuper stoked to find a breeding game with mutations (especially one that even delves into lethal mutations) just recently found out that a lot of the mutations do not pass on to offspring and it's been a huge disappointment...I can understand not wanting to make it 75-100% passings on or anything like it would be in real life if you bred two like mutations together but for a lot of these mutations to not pass on at ALL is really sad. Finding this out put a huge damper on my enjoyment of the game, I wish I'd known this before spending quite a bit of real money in the shop...I'll probably piddle around here for a while to see if that changes with more development of the site but I don't feel that there's any point to buying, selling, or obtaining mutations now when only primal and piebald pass down to offspring.



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Meep (sunset felis) (#66275)


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Posted on
2017-08-11 18:39:02
May I suggest anencephaly or microcephaly as a lethal mutation?



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Scykol (#90520)

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Posted on
2017-08-28 00:39:31
....hairless was actually very cute to look at lewl



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Juminakata (side) (#27376)

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Posted on
2017-09-21 21:22:19
About the crooked tail thing, isn't that a thing that happens to some manx cats? They'll develop short, kinked tails rather than full tails or the typical "manx" tail stubs.



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Kit (#82126)


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Posted on
2017-10-03 12:32:00
YESSS! Leucism and Erythrism! Now the pigment mutation set is complete! :D



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Cerrates
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Posted on
2017-10-03 16:29:15
*sitting here waiting for dorsal fur like a fan* ^_^



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Dill (#112840)

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Posted on
2017-10-29 04:32:13
Not sure if anyone has suggested these or if they have been rejected. But how about down syndrome, autism or processing disorders?

Like they take their time to learn, so have a slower way of doing things and need extra help.



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Edited on 29/10/17 @ 04:35:57 by Dill (#112840)

Whale Biologist 🐋 (#35355)

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Posted on
2017-10-31 11:11:58

Fairly sure those have been rejected because Down syndrome and Autism are exclusively human disorders.




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Dill (#112840)

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Posted on
2017-10-31 13:06:35
Ah okay, fair enough.



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Kit (#82126)


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Posted on
2017-11-03 19:47:12
I have a question. Why would a deaf lion or a clawless lion die when a blind lion or an eyeless lion wouldn't? Like, toothless I can understand because it likely wouldn't be able to eat properly, but there's no reason deaf and clawless would die while blind and eyeless wouldn't. It just doesn't make sense imo.



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Edited on 03/11/17 @ 19:54:54 by Lit (#82126)

Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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Posted on
2017-11-09 03:59:55
Someone mentioned the chimera mutation in chat, and I had this idea - very similar to the 2nd method of introducing the chimera mutation mentioned at the bottom of the main post:

Given that usually a chimera's reproductive system carries only one half's of the genetic information - one of the two whole sets of genetic material that make up the chimera, I mean -, the idea of coding the 2 sets of genetics - when one would dominate over the other, the later being simply visual effect with no chance of passing onto offspring - requires a lot of work for virtually nothing. But what if the Chimera mutation was something like a "combo" base, in the sense that, to trigger it, you need to breed two lions of different color groups? Then you have a minimun of 4 sets of the Chimera mutation - something like "Black Chimera", "Cream Chimera", "Golden Chimera" and "Red Chimera" - that would be over the lion, like Achromia, Melanism and Piebald, and depending on the genetics of the cub and the two color groups bred, the cub would get one of the two possible chimeras. For example, if I bred a Black lion and a Cream lioness, they could have a Cream based cub with x base and the Black Chimera over his looks.



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Edited on 09/11/17 @ 04:03:18 by Berenos (#84593)

Kurai (#135723)

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Posted on
2018-01-18 18:00:28
I have seen some people wishing for an adult genetic disease, so I think that one thing that could work is Hypo + Hyperthyroidism. Both have genetic factors, and appear more often on old cats.

Hypo would make the lion become fatter and lethargic.

Hyper would have the opposite effect.

Both could make the fur get messed up, like bald patch or matting.

As both mess up with hormones and there's no way to control it in the wild, often causing heart illnesses, it might be lethal and make the lion die before 15-16 years.



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Posted on
2018-01-26 17:11:35
I'd love to see that hairless mutation! It looks amazing



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El-Ahrairah (#1170)

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Posted on
2018-01-28 08:18:14
If I'm ever lucky enough to get a cross-eyed lion, I'm naming him Clarence. Haha!



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