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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-01-04 06:22:22

The Third Lioden Hybrid - The Jaglion



What is a Jaglion?

A jaglion is the unlikely offspring produced from a male jaguar and a lioness. While seemingly bizarre and outlandish to many, jaglions are actually among one of the more recent hybrids to be successfully produced. Although they are bred less often (thankfully) than ligers and liligers, there are two jaglions, Tsunami and Jazhara, who were born at Bear Creek Sanctuary in 2006. The two are still alive to this day, although their parents have since been separated to prevent more accidental jaglions. The two creatures seem to be healthy, and sport a very unique appearance in comparison to leopons.

While I do wish to show you a side-by-side comparison of a jaglion vs a leopon in terms of appearance, the images on Bear Creek have been copyrighted, and they have stressed their desire for their images not to be reposted. Instead, I will provide links to Bear Creak Sanctuary's jaglion page, as well as the link to the leopon wikipedia article.


http://www.bearcreeksanctuary.com/jaglions.htm -
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THESE PEOPLE DO NOT GENUINELY CARE FOR THESE ANIMALS, AND ARE NOT A TRUE SANCTUARY. DO NOT PLAN VISITS TO THEM SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OF JAGLIONS.***

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopon

How would they occur in Lioden?

A good, valid question! After all, jaguars live in South America, not Africa. However, you know what other impossible hybrid is coming to Lioden in 2018? The tigon.

Tigers are known to roam Asia, and while a certain subspecies of lion, the Asiatic lion, also roams Asia, the two lack overlapping ranges. Alongside that, it is heavily hinted at that Lioden takes place in Africa proper, and not in Asia, judging by its flora and fauna. However, we still get tigons. This is because, at least from what I've heard, that a tiger escaped from a zoo, or was perhaps an exotic pet that broke loose. While such occurrences are unlikely, it is still going to be apart of Lioden's lore. Such a scenario could easily be the same case as the jaglion's jaguar father.

A jaguar escapes from an African zoo and takes shelter in the jungle. Not too unlikely, given how poor the humans in this game seem to be at keeping animals where they should.


UPDATE!
A jaguar encounter was added in the December of 2017! This male jaguar is in search of a lioness to protect him. Maybe that lioness will do a little more than just protect him...




Fun Jaglion Facts!
1. Male jaglions don't have a mane. At most, they have a little bit more fluff on their chests.
2. Jaglions can be melanistic if their jaguar father is.
3. Jaglions are smaller than their mothers, but larger than their fathers.


*** More Info on Bear Creek

Bear Creek allows visitors to handle cubs, which is both stressful and unhealthy for the cubs. These cubs are taken away from their mothers before they are weaned to be bottle-fed by visitors and staff while they are still "cute". Once these cubs grow up, they are often left in awful conditions. Along with that, their production of the Jaglions shows how careless they are towards conserving wildlife. Hybrids serve no conservation purposes. Cub handling is cruel. Do not support Bear Creek, and please, don't take this suggestion as me advocating for them.



This suggestion has 3763 supports and 116 NO supports.



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Edited on 26/02/23 @ 12:02:55 by LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)

Empress Tansy (#54105)

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2017-01-06 04:31:44
I'm not fully on board with the Tigon idea, either, to be honest, but I can't change what's already in the works to be implemented. As to whether a lion and tiger ever meet/have cubs together without human intervention, who knows? There's at least a slight (very slight) chance it might, even if humans haven't discovered it. Lions and leopards, even if it's never ever happened in the wild that we know of, would be the most realistic scenario (not that I'm for a 100% realistic LioDen, but some things stretch a little far too far for me)..



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-01-06 04:37:32
Tigers and lions are not known to share any overlapping territories, after I've done a brief google search. I don't believe there's even a tiger encounter in explore, which makes the tigon even more bizarre. Now, I fully understand the argument against jaglions - Jaguars and lions live on different hemispheres. Trust me, I'm aware that it's a very, very far stretch. However, if we have bright pink lions, blue lions, and genetically impossible lion mutations (such as melanism, achromia), I don't see why we can't have yet another stretch. After all, we're already going there with the tigons. I don't see why we can't take a stab for jaglions, too.

Two just seems like a very bizarre number to justify a whole group of mutations, and I feel it would be a bit redundant to introduce lipards/ligers (although, I would fully support their addition into the game). Instead, I think we should offer appreciation for some of our less heard of hybrids, such as the jaglion.



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Empress Tansy (#54105)

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2017-01-06 04:44:02
I supposed a great travelling tiger/lion could cross from Asia-Africa if they really, really wanted to. It would be weird and probably make headline news, but it would be at least 1% more likely than a Jaguar (unless a tiger/jaguar escapes from the zoo/Nigerian prince's backyard).

There is a lot on LioDen that is not realistic- I agree with you there- and while there are some things I'm fine with (weird markings/colors/achromia babies), somethings just seem a little too...I don't know...weird. It be just as weird if someone justifed a lion/serval or lion/caracal (if a husky and a pomeranian can make puppies, then maybe as weird/freaky/100% unlikely as it would be, a lion/serval could happen).

Okay...that's also a bit too weird...



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2017-01-06 05:00:11
Just inputting that it is very likely that jaguars could escape from a zoo in Africa. It was explained in this Tigon suggestion: Link
The OP touches on the possibility of tigers escaping from zoos, and delves into it further in the thread. In fact, many arguments on that thread could be applied to this thread with a tad adjustment.
Overall, I support an eventual jaglion hybrid, though I doubt that would be released anytime soon if it was approved.



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Edited on 06/01/17 @ 12:48:43 by Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-01-06 05:06:12
Thank you for the support!



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Riot (#84178)

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Posted on
2017-01-07 13:30:39
I definitely support this!! ; O
Perhaps to show the difference between them and Leopons since they already look so alike, other than their rosette markings, of course, the Jaglions could be more muscular / a bit larger ?



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-01-07 13:31:53
That's exactly what I was thinking~ Jaguars, and as a result, jaglions, are much more stocky than leopons. They'd likely be rather muscular, and a bit 'rounder' than their leopon lookalikes.



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Dinocanid (#69182)

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2017-01-14 09:34:49
After looking through the image galleries on the site you linked to, the jaglions appear to have the build of a normal lion, but a bit more round/puffy, especially in the face. They have little resemblance to leopons at all IMO, mainly due to leopons being more lean.
Otherwise, I would like to see this happen.



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Edited on 14/01/17 @ 16:35:18 by Dinocanid (#69182)

🐧Frisky💋 (#22481)

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2017-01-18 04:44:40
A way this could be implemented is as an incredibly rare event encounter, where theres a 1-5% chance of encountering a male jaguar in the wild and if you click the right option he will inpregnate one of your in heat females at random.
The fact that the lioness has to already be in heat would also add to its rarity. The febuary event might be a good one for this, "A frisky male jaguar seems to of escaped a near by zoo, better hide your ladies" (<-- suddested event encounter)



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Dinocanid (#69182)

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2017-01-18 06:25:19
(responding to above)
If this does get implemented, I think it should be like it is now with leopons (where you breed her and discovering her encounter with the leopard is part of the mutation flavor text). I generally don't like ideas where a random in-heat lioness in your pride is bred, especially if you don't want her to be/can't handle the extra cubs.



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Edited on 18/01/17 @ 13:25:48 by Dinocanid (#69182)

LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-01-18 09:53:28
The idea behind this is that it works like leopon and tigon, yes. I wouldn't plan to change a system that isn't broken~



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Scottie (Lights ON!) (#87211)

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2017-01-29 07:48:32
this would be impossible. Jaguars are in South America, and lions in Africa. They'd have to swim across the Atlantic to even have a chance of seeing each other.



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2017-01-29 07:58:58
@Scottish Tigons have already been planned and announced for a release (this year or the next) so the same way that the admins will justify the existence of tigons could be used for jaglions (for example, a tiger/jaguar that has escaped from one of the numerous private zoos in Africa).



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Edited on 29/01/17 @ 14:59:19 by Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

Scottie (Lights ON!) (#87211)

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2017-01-29 08:00:21
Well, it's also possible that Asiatics met tigers, or tigers wandered into Africa.

Jaguars are just pushing it



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Scottie (Lights ON!) (#87211)

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2017-01-29 08:00:24
Well, it's also possible that Asiatics met tigers, or tigers wandered into Africa.

Jaguars are just pushing it



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