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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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Posted on
2017-01-04 06:22:22

The Third Lioden Hybrid - The Jaglion



What is a Jaglion?

A jaglion is the unlikely offspring produced from a male jaguar and a lioness. While seemingly bizarre and outlandish to many, jaglions are actually among one of the more recent hybrids to be successfully produced. Although they are bred less often (thankfully) than ligers and liligers, there are two jaglions, Tsunami and Jazhara, who were born at Bear Creek Sanctuary in 2006. The two are still alive to this day, although their parents have since been separated to prevent more accidental jaglions. The two creatures seem to be healthy, and sport a very unique appearance in comparison to leopons.

While I do wish to show you a side-by-side comparison of a jaglion vs a leopon in terms of appearance, the images on Bear Creek have been copyrighted, and they have stressed their desire for their images not to be reposted. Instead, I will provide links to Bear Creak Sanctuary's jaglion page, as well as the link to the leopon wikipedia article.


http://www.bearcreeksanctuary.com/jaglions.htm -
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THESE PEOPLE DO NOT GENUINELY CARE FOR THESE ANIMALS, AND ARE NOT A TRUE SANCTUARY. DO NOT PLAN VISITS TO THEM SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OF JAGLIONS.***

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopon

How would they occur in Lioden?

A good, valid question! After all, jaguars live in South America, not Africa. However, you know what other impossible hybrid is coming to Lioden in 2018? The tigon.

Tigers are known to roam Asia, and while a certain subspecies of lion, the Asiatic lion, also roams Asia, the two lack overlapping ranges. Alongside that, it is heavily hinted at that Lioden takes place in Africa proper, and not in Asia, judging by its flora and fauna. However, we still get tigons. This is because, at least from what I've heard, that a tiger escaped from a zoo, or was perhaps an exotic pet that broke loose. While such occurrences are unlikely, it is still going to be apart of Lioden's lore. Such a scenario could easily be the same case as the jaglion's jaguar father.

A jaguar escapes from an African zoo and takes shelter in the jungle. Not too unlikely, given how poor the humans in this game seem to be at keeping animals where they should.


UPDATE!
A jaguar encounter was added in the December of 2017! This male jaguar is in search of a lioness to protect him. Maybe that lioness will do a little more than just protect him...




Fun Jaglion Facts!
1. Male jaglions don't have a mane. At most, they have a little bit more fluff on their chests.
2. Jaglions can be melanistic if their jaguar father is.
3. Jaglions are smaller than their mothers, but larger than their fathers.


*** More Info on Bear Creek

Bear Creek allows visitors to handle cubs, which is both stressful and unhealthy for the cubs. These cubs are taken away from their mothers before they are weaned to be bottle-fed by visitors and staff while they are still "cute". Once these cubs grow up, they are often left in awful conditions. Along with that, their production of the Jaglions shows how careless they are towards conserving wildlife. Hybrids serve no conservation purposes. Cub handling is cruel. Do not support Bear Creek, and please, don't take this suggestion as me advocating for them.



This suggestion has 3763 supports and 116 NO supports.



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Edited on 26/02/23 @ 12:02:55 by LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)

Attic of The Sky (#12149)


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Posted on
2017-04-22 08:00:07
Yeah, the zoo might have to be the choice.
I was just thinking that the vendor thing would be better location wise because BOOM out in the wild and freedom. xD
Since it must be hard getting out of a city as a big cat. Then again, big cats already go into cities and such before disappearing without a trace. Like coyotes. xD



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Jacimagicwhitedeer (#87017)

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Posted on
2017-05-10 06:36:51
I support.



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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Posted on
2017-06-30 19:59:24
I'm bringing this back! Let's get Jaglions into Lioden!



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Xathina[main] (#70238)

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2017-06-30 20:02:49


I already support, so let's get more! :3



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Black Rhinoceros 2.0 (#69356)

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Posted on
2017-07-12 10:13:15
support :P



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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Posted on
2017-07-12 10:47:49
Thank you for the support!



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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Posted on
2017-07-12 22:09:14
We just reached 400 supports! Thank you to all of you who have supported thus far. We've reached a mighty impressive milestone, I like to think!



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Posted on
2017-07-25 21:31:05
I mean this is a cool idea, but no support for many reasons stated plus i think a female lion would get defensive if she noticed a jaguar near her, and since Most Lionesses are in pride's the leader would basically chase the jaguar off and breed to his own females.



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mudpuppy (#32968)

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Posted on
2017-07-25 21:48:25
no support! sorry Nicholas :/ i just don't think we should add more hybrids.



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Posted on
2017-08-14 19:56:22
i think a trio of hybrids would be perfect; three is the perfect number for a little group imo.

also @ everyone saying it's unrealistic, it's biologically possible, and this is a game with blue lions so i don't think a jaguar and a lion doing the do is really that far out of reach



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Posted on
2017-08-17 15:48:43
Maybe after liger but liger and leopon is already kinda enough, but it would make more sense then Panthera. (Lion x Panther)



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Posted on
2017-08-21 21:31:03
NOt to carry a conversation from topic to topic, I began here. I feel as though the leopon and the liguar would be too similar to be of real need. We already have one, might we branch out to a different breed? The physical separation of the two breeds is territory area, hieght and weight but (to me) seem too similar for a real need.

I do like that you mention markings. as well as the exclusive 'black jaguar' melanistic type where the mutations might 'stack,' similar to the Primal, Primal Felis and Primal Smilus.

So I ask this thread, why would we need the liguar? Last thread a promoting member said (paraphrased) that it would be for the good of the players that pour money into the game. Not that I think they are wrong. Many members (myself included) put real money into this game. Thats fine and all, but for the good of players that put money into this is not enough reason for me to support that thread. So why the liguar? Convince me pls.



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-08-21 21:44:07
Not a liguar, a jaglion! A liguar is when the lion is the father, whereas the jaguar is the father in this pairing, like the leopard is the father for the leopon.

Dumb corrections aside, I believe the jaglion should be added to the game to enhance the experience with hybrids. Hybrids were, at least at the time of their release, supposed to be a huge thing, similar to how primals are now with their many forms. While the tigon is certain to enrapture Lioden's audience once it's released like leopons did upon theirs, two just seems like such an underwhelming 'group'. Why stop at just leopons and tigons when there's the possibility for more? Three makes for such a satisfying number, and it allows players to be true hyrbid fanatics, aiming to breed various hybrids and, as mentioned before, pour some extra coin into the game to afford trades for other players, which should boost the pay for our coders, artists, and others working on the game to keep it running as we enjoy it with more updates.

To argue with the 'too similar' aspect, I assume you're referring specifically to the rosette. While jaguar and leopard rosettes do appear similar, they do possess differences once you truly look at them. The physique of the jaglion would be stockier than its leopon cousin, which would already help to set apart the two similar panthera cats, but the spots are rather different in of themselves. I encourage you to look at pictures of jaguar rosettes vs leopard rosettes. As you look at them, you will see that the jaguar's rosettes are much stronger than the leopard's. In the middle of the rosettes, it's not uncommon to find splotches of a darker color than the pelt, or even more black spots. The rosettes on a jaguar are also noticeably larger than those of a leopard, and look more like they were painted on with a calligraphy brush in contrast to the sharper, more dense spots of a leopard.

For jaglions, they would appear to be bulkier than their leopon counterparts, and their rosettes would be larger, more detailed, and more square than the round, circular rosettes of leopards (as well as the nimravus markings, which could be argued for as jaguar rosette-mimics, but are too round to fit the bill.)

I hope this at least swayed you somewhat, though if not, I do appreciate your feedback!



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Posted on
2017-08-21 21:55:36
I do like the differences of Jaguar and leopard, I grew up watching animal planet late into the night lol. I do support this now, expecially since you brought up the real life experience of a jaglion birth (though it was a zoo afterall). Though the liger has been a few years in coming I would think that the next hybrid lion, whatever it might be would be some time after that. Also I was referring to the similarities between the two cats for their body charateristics and build. The current leopon does seem very becoming of both hybrids types, though maybe the Jaglion would be much stokier, like a bigger dwarf? Gah now that gets me excited.

Might instead of the leopon and jaglion being their own seperate categories they become one? (smol suggestion)
Much like Primal has the base Prima, then felis and smilus, could the leopon become one of a Hybrid category?

Hybrid (leopon)
Hybrid (jaglion)
Hybrid (panlion)

Similar to the way Primal and Piebalds are categorized instead of fully separating them? Though not that I think it over more primals are all related and so are pies. Oh well food for thought? However you have convinced me and I look forward to some new spots! Nimravus is my new love but I hope to see some lovely Jaguar Rosettes! Maybe even a cute weird dwarfy Jaglion!



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LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2017-08-21 22:00:56
I'm glad to have gained your support, haha! I'll definitely be sure to sleep on your suggestions, and I'll add them to the post tomorrow, certainly. I do think that, perhaps, grouping them together might satisfy those who don't like the lack of new "types" of marks (such as the possible stripes for tigon). I'll leave it up for discussion and for the staff to look over



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