Posted by Gastroschisis ~Lethal Mutation~

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2017-08-27 08:12:38
Short Explanation : In short Gastroschisis is a defect in which an infant is born with some of its abdominal organs born outside of its abdomen through a small hole to the right of the infant's bellybutton.

Lengthy Explanation: Gastroschisis is caused when one or both body wall folds within an embryo do not move properly and therefore do not fuse. This incomplete fusion results in this defect that allows the infant's abdominal organs to go through the abdominal wall and outside of the body, through a very small hole to the right of the infant's belly button, or you could just have a hole.

Is it Possible in Lions?: While I was unable to find any evidence during my research that this defect does occur in lions, I know from personal experience, that this defect not only effects human, but also sheep, cattle, dogs, and even cats. I believe that my inability to uncover any evidence on this defect afflicting cats is likely due to the lack of research on Gastroschisis in big cats, as it seems more than possible that big cats also experience this defect.

"Warning! Some viewers might find this image distressing"
I would show pictures of it occurring in other animals, but the pictures are just too graphic. If proof is needed, I can edit in some links to pages that talk about it.

Cub Appearance/Information: Any infant with Gastroschisis will die if left untreated, hence why I believe it should be a lethal defect that kills the cub at 1 month due to infection.

Appearance (Non Graphic): Small sickly looking newborn cub lying on it's side with its belly facing towards the player, and a noticeable hole off centre from its lower belly.
Suggested by: Felicity Smooake #31735

Appearance (Slightly Graphic): I think that it should be a small, sickly looking cub lying on its side, with its belly facing towards the player, and a small hole in its belly with perhaps a small bit of intestine poking through the hole.



This suggestion has 156 supports and 33 NO supports.



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Edited on 27/08/17 @ 16:44:03 by Lunastar (#97406)

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2017-08-27 08:52:08
If its too graphic to show in your description and you think it will be upsetting for people to see, why would you want it in the game? Not quite supporting or rejecting it just yet, I'm just curious.



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2017-08-27 09:09:24
@Ningoat

Good question. The pictures tend to have a large amount of intestines outside of the body, which in reality looks very well...graphic. Whereas on Lioden, there could just be a little bit of the intestines outside of the body, and the art style for Lioden makes it look less shocking. Hope that answers your question! ^-^



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2017-08-27 09:15:07
It does! I don't really agree with the logic of being less shocking because of less gore. I feel like the description and idea makes me squirm a lot more than any picture can, but I'll support because I'm a bit of a horror junkie.



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2017-08-27 09:18:52
@Ningoat

You may understand the difference if you saw an actual picture in comparison to what I have suggested the appearance could be! ^-^ Then again. You may not want to look up the actual pictures if you are squirmy about that sort of thing.



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2017-08-27 09:19:54
Oh, I already did.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say, is that most people are more desensitized to seeing gore, because more often we see it as really good prosthetic and effects in movies, especially if you are a horror person like myself. You tend to take in the visuals of it without actually processing it. But reading it is a different situation, especially reading the medical description of it. You can't avoid thinking about it then, which makes it a lot more uncomfortable.



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Edited on 27/08/17 @ 09:23:12 by Ningoat (#110355)

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2017-08-27 09:33:05
@Ningoat

Okay. I do definitely understand what you are saying by the seeing compared to reading. Are you recommending me to not talk about it, and instead only really show pictures to demonstrate what it looks like then?



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2017-08-27 09:34:03
I had a kitten that actually had this, she passed away 4 or 5 days after being born. At first my sister and I thought it was just the umbilical cord, but after noticing the bleeding didn't stop we realized what it was. At first glance you couldn't really tell what it was, but it had been clarified after my mother checked on the kitten, its insides were indeed inside out.

So the mutation doesn't have to be incredibly graphic, as the experience I had with this mutation was hardly noticeable until inspected closely. For those that have a weak stomach, like myself, it doesn't have to be as graphic and gore filled as some may expect it to be!



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2017-08-27 09:34:07
As for those who are 'no supporting' it, it would really help if you would actually give a reason as to why you dislike the idea.



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2017-08-27 09:37:44
@Felicity Smoake

Awww, that's so sad. Sorry. Though I do get your point. I was not aware that it was not always completely outside of the animal. I've only ever seen my dad operate on our lambs that are on the odd occasion born with this defect, and they've only really been born with the guts outside of the body. Thanks for telling me! Really appreciated!



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2017-08-27 09:38:42
No, I'm not. I actually quite like it! I'm just really gabby.

But as Felicity stated, for many people its more of the concept and the thoughts it provokes than the image, which would explain why some of them aren't supporting it. Also those who just don't want more lethal mutations.



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2017-08-27 09:39:40
@Ningoat

Thank you. That's something to bare in mind for the future.



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2017-08-27 09:43:01
No problem. I've only ever seen it on the kitten, but it was only partial. The condition may have different varieties I guess?

If the mutation was added in game I myself would prefer visuals less graphic, such as the incident I had. I imagine it to look like a growth on the abdomen, like tendrils perhaps? I'd create a mock up if I could art xD

Though I do give my support, it would be an intriguing lethal to own, that is for sure!



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2017-08-27 09:47:32
@Felicity Smoake

Actually, it does make sense that there would be different variates. :3

I like the bulging abdomen idea a lot actually! With your permission, I would like to add it as another appearance suggestion! (I'm rubishhhhh at art as well XD )




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2017-08-27 09:57:26
Sure thing! I think it would be a good example for those who are partial to gore :) Perhaps I'll attempt to create a mock up? I'll try my hand at it after work and see what I come up with.



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2017-08-27 09:59:33
@Felicity Smoake

Thank you. As for the mock up, I would be very very very very very grateful! :3 I'll obviously give you the credit for the non gore idea, and the mock up!



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