Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [700+ Support]

Heda Vampiric |
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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots). The current way kings roll their markings before females also makes it hard if the female has one of the marks and the male has the other. If he has a marking in her slot there is a high chance his will take that place instead (So more time than not a breeding like that will result in you only getting the males mark instead of a double from the female.

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 730 supports and 80 NO supports.



Edited on 06/10/19 @ 00:45:37 by Heda Vampiric | Clean Withered (#56702)

Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)


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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:32:55
Pretty please? I would love to pick up my double clay panther breeding again.


Typhon {F1 NOCTIS RL
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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:45:46
Honestly I've given up on my project, but I'd really like to see this brought back. There's absolutely no reason for it to not be unless someone is too lazy to not breed the marks if they don't wish to.


Agryo [12k+ 3xRos,
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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:51:17
100% support; I remember how excited I was, as a newbie, to accidentally get a double White Cobweb. I know not everyone would find that cub to be a blessing, but I was psyched by the occurrence. XD Now, with a king with Feline 7 Silver in a rare-ish slot, I'd love other people breeding for the mark to happen to have it in slot 2[from a mother with it of course] and 5! <333

Plus, c'mon, with all the lovely gradient/fairly pale markings we're getting these days [Web, Feline 8 and Margay leap to mind] it'll give rise to a new generation of doubly-sexy kings and queens with striking markings!
Given the addition of 10 extra marking slots, too, now is definitely a good time to invest in lions with double markings, be it for looks[no one can complain about two/three copies of a marking taking up too many slots] or the challenge[More room for other double marks, yas].



Edited on 13/10/17 @ 11:52:26 by Agryo [Side, F7Silver breeder] (#84746)

Razz {Side} (#36422)

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Posted on
2017-10-13 17:34:38
Agryo makes a very good point! The extra slots allow for some awesome double marked kings without it 'taking up' a slot! Support from me


VampireKetsuki
(SIDE) (#20136)

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Posted on
2017-10-13 23:44:18
Still no support. She said it wasn't supposed to happen, so it was a bug that happened to get squished. Sorry it happened to be your little bug friend, but it was still a bug.


cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:05:20
"That being said; if you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue."

She also said this so... enlighten me about how the fact that it was a bug means it can't become a legitimate part of the system.


cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:10:10
I would like to add a clarification that someone had an issue with in the last thread - the double markings being able to roll would not be able to ruin your chances of getting a breed only mark you wanted. Click here for a longer explanation.

So if you were worried about that, no need!


Kenkou (#20923)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:13:18
I would love if this was brought back! I am a huge fan of breeding double and even triples markings! Especially when I do love them to be rather bold and pop! I recently returned from a rather long unwanted hiatus and I was a bit confused as to why some of my cubs were coming out rather plain on a few of my ladies since I am trying to breed almost exact copies of them now.

And A LOT of them do have double and even triple markings that I spent quite some time during past events getting for them! And I'm pretty disappointed that such a feat for my project lions isn't possible anymore. The same can be said for my king now who is a double Onyx Cheetah Royal and I'm rather disappointed because if I would of known about this I wouldn't of dropped the GB or SB on applicators and marking removers to make him such when I returned. Since with how the system is now there is literally no point of him even having two of those markings and I'm going to have to fix it with something else and spent even more GB on him.

I understand that is was a bug that nobody seemed to notice but damn it was a well loved bug and I do hope it can be brought back into Lioden's features!


cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:30:07
@Kenkou that actually brings up a great point that I think was brought up in the last thread

Basically, with the random four applicators there are lots of people who get double markings. With the current fixed system, this is detrimental to their stud because they now have a completely wasted slot. If we changed it back the accidental double markings could actually be seen as a good thing. I for one wouldn't mind two bloodbourne vit as it's another marking that changes significantly when you double it.


Typhon {F1 NOCTIS RL
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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:33:40
^^ That was a point that I brought up on the old thread.

It's ridiculous that people can't see how this is a negative feature that needs to be removed.



Edited on 14/10/17 @ 06:35:40 by Typhon {Wearer of Other Skin} (#41384)

Talmoi (#16689)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 06:48:31
10000000000000000000000000000% Support.

I've moved on to a new project however i'd go back to my doubles project in a heart beat if it was brought back. Would make me a very happy Lion


Arctos [2nd account] (#43323)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 11:51:29
Support please! Interesting to know this was a bug but I'm glad they'd be willing to consider putting it back into the game.


JennyWren (#101593)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 11:54:07
I had no idea this was a bug. I don't really understand why people would want two copies of the same marking on the same lion, but I support.


Desert (#71502)

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Posted on
2017-10-14 13:56:52
100% support.

I come on sporadically during the year, I never even knew it had been changed until I started trying to breed for double margay markings of the same colour.

There is often a noticeable change when doubling or tripling up on marks - particularly for markings that struggle to stand out against stronger markings. I would love to see this implemented back in to the game. It honestly never occurred to me that it was a bug to begin with.


Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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Posted on
2017-10-22 19:42:34
Yes! I would like to start breeding double onyx panther into my fiery stock like one of my old lionesses.