Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [1200+ Support]

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots).

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 1256 supports and 127 NO supports.



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?

Edited on 04/02/23 @ 16:29:08 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Myr [frozen -
contact @ #76] (#188)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-10-22 19:53:22
Support - double/multiple markings aren’t really something I’m fussed about, but I know a lot of people are, and reasonably enough want to be able to go back to breeding for multiples. Doesn’t seem like it would do any harm to return it to the way it used to be (regardless of whether or not that was deliberate in the beginning), and make people's breeding challenges possible again :)



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-10-22 19:59:48

Thank you for your understanding and support.




Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

Lone Wanderer
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-11-07 11:11:20
This just totally invalidated almost two years and I honestly have no idea how much GB/SB. Ever since the day I started I just wanted a king with all 10 markings filled in with Vitiligo. Since there aren't 10 variations of (basic, non-app) Vitiligo, I'd have needed a few double markings. In almost two years, I bred two lions with a single double vit marking, and I gave one of them away (the other passed without ever passing on her double). It wasn't easy to get double markings in the first place, and I'd even asked if this was a bug and was told by staff that it was intentional.

I... regret rolling over at all, just to find this out after three months.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 07/11/17 @ 11:13:48 by Bezthiel (#81210)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-11-07 11:48:30

I'm sorry you had to find out this way :/
That's why we're looking to change it. hopefully it goes through and you can try again at your project.




Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

null (#56571)

Impeccable
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-11-16 04:53:27
Yes, please! Dupe markings have actually helped me w/ designing future kings because some markings, even on 100%, are still VERY light. I'd love to have this as an official feature!

+ support



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

ash [it/its] (#91707)

Toxic
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-11-22 11:55:56
Support! I would love to try and get some double gold rosette cubbins! These have a low pass rate anyway, so it'll be extra hard!



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 22/11/17 @ 11:57:02 by monsterteeth™ (#91707)

Sasa [🐅] (#30698)

Blessed
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-11-27 18:10:45
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429277925

My old suggestion for this exact thing. Keep this up though, I dont bump the thing anymore ;p



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Enitan [HM] (#18630)

Protector
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 11:07:50
I support. Double markings isn't usually my thing, but I don't see how it could hurt anyone and clearly a lot of people enjoy the double (or more) markings. So I definitely support folks being able to have them back in their breeding projects.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 11:10:28

Thank you.~




Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Vampire Ketsuki (#19097)

King of the Jungle
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 15:23:40
Still no support. I personally do not like double-marking lions, and I'd prefer to be able to breed my king to any lions/cubs I'm gifted (or that come from events, RIP Wenet). I don't have the SB to stud. Especially if it's a common marking, seeing it twice would be annoying. No it might not look any different but it takes up a slot to be used for another marking.
As for 'It only costs 1GB to remove', I'm glad it's so easy for some people to earn GB (to remove/reapply/switch markings) but I've never been successful at it. I've tried trading/selling but the item never draws interest.

Also going back to the original thread 'How could they not tell us they're removing it'? Well if it wasn't supposed to happen and was a bug, guess what. They probably didn't know that updating the coding would fix a bug no one noticed was there.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 15:50:15



Okay.

1. "I'm glad it's so easy for some people to earn GB" Oh so you see why we might be upset about having to use rocks, which are 20x+ more expensive.

2. Quote to me in this thread where I'm mad that they didn't tell us about the change? That was all on the other thread, where Abbey explained, and I would appreciate you not dragging old debates from there to here. This thread is not about communication, it is about getting double markings back without it being a bug - something Abbey is willing to consider doing.

3. "I've tried trading/selling but the item never draws interest." What item are you trying to trade? And are you pricing them right? I bet if you put up a gnawrock for 5Gb someone would buy it because damn is that a deal. That's 5 marking removers right there.




Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Hex (#41384)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 16:15:51
Right, so instead of you paying 1 GB you're expecting us to pay anywhere from 30-120 GB for the items to breed our markings. It's not hard to just, y'know, not breed two lions together. You have the ability to have two accounts, therefore two kings to breed to without studding out. The chances of both those kings having the same marking in a different slot than your lioness is ridiculously low, it's seriously not hard to avoid double markings.

However, as clearly you're just coming back to the thread to state the same arguments over and over again, I think we've both made our points plenty and neither of us is going to budge.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Vampire Ketsuki (#19097)

King of the Jungle
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 16:20:37
So you wouldn't be upset about having two of the same NCL markings on a cub? One from each parent?

I sell any cubs I don't want to keep for 100-200sb, OBO on trades, adols get chucked to the tree to save room for newer cubs. I sell food, toys, decor, gems, prizes, etc. I price them to be a bit lower than average. I also sell breedings for my two dwarves (winner must provide lion scrotum) but that I do in raffle form.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Hex (#41384)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-15 16:28:50
No, I wouldn't? If the other markings are nice I'd just remove the bad ones, or keep the markings if they looked alright. Or just kill the cub, it really wouldn't matter literally at all to me and I don't see why anyone should care. As well, you can control what lions you're breeding together. It's not like you wouldn't know the markings could pass together.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

Lone Wanderer
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-01-19 09:00:35
You may not personally like double markings, but the fact remains that, with the slightest amount of attention paid to the lions you're breeding together, you can avoid it. Easily. No one makes you breed lions.

For anyone that does like it, it's now flat out impossible for many, many, many projects to proceed.

Okay, pay that 60-120GB to get a pair of the same markings. Then what if your project needed two sets of double markings, or even just three of the same marking? You can't use 3 or 4 gnawrocks in a breeding, so now that's just impossible. Too bad. Move on. Sorry you spent hundreds of (maybe even actual, real) dollars on something that had been possible for years.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 19/01/18 @ 09:03:23 by Bezthiel #ShrikeHoarder (#81210)







Memory Used: 643.48 KB - Queries: 0 - Query Time: 0.00000 - Total Time: 0.00433s