Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [1200+ Support]

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots).

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 1257 supports and 127 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/02/23 @ 16:29:08 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Layara [gen 5 clean
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Posted on
2018-10-19 21:41:55
As long as you can't get the same marking twice from applicators or there's a lowered chance. It's kind of a pain with event applicators when you get the same marking three times in a row



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-10-19 22:41:22

Nah, this is about the markings passing from the parents when you breed them together. Not really sure what applicators would have to do with it. But they did recently put in a failsafe to prevent you from getting the same markings on the second use as you did on the first use (however, you can get the same marking on the THIRD use as you got on the first use - so depending on your luck, double markings from applicators is still possible).




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Edited on 19/10/18 @ 22:41:54 by Heda Vampiric | Clean (#56702)

Layara [gen 5 clean
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2018-10-19 22:46:40
@heda Ah ok. I'm newer (second full month on the site) so I only knew about the high chance of double markings from apps.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-10-20 00:18:38

Ah, well you'll be glad to know they've fixed that. At least for every other use.




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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-10-23 19:14:43

Damn I realize we missed this thread's birthday.




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Edited on 23/10/18 @ 19:15:06 by Heda Vampiric | Clean (#56702)

MillieCat (+2.6k
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2018-11-03 11:28:10
Was about to not support because of double markings on applicators. Applicators are mostly a annual thing and can be really annoying if you get a duplicate (specially if you want a specific marking)

If it's a breed only mechanic, I don't see why it shouldn't be a thing. It can be a fun project for those who are into it. For those who aren't and get doubles, the cubs could be more valuable to sell so I think it has a lot of potential to be a win/win situation

If people are so worried about doubles being frequent, what about having a cheap item at the monkey shop that triggers the chances of double markings to pass? That way only people who want them would get it. That or having a cheap item that removes ONLY double markings? (imo it would be a extra hassle either way but hey, trying to think of something to please both sides)

Supported!



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kittenlily 🐈 (#50738)

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2018-11-13 20:14:57
bumping this again because it's been a year and we're still yelling.

people didn't complain about it when they didn't realize it was a glitch, so it obviously didn't affect their life much at all. pretty easy to avoid while breeding too :) frustrated that this hasn't be reimplemented



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Edited on 13/11/18 @ 20:15:12 by kittenlily🐑 (#50738)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-11-13 20:30:42

Thanks! I appreciate when people bump this, keep on yellin'!




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Aredy1974 (#166030)

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2019-01-06 11:30:02
Double markings would be cool. Like a lion with two of the same markings? You've got my support!



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Veni (#121432)

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2019-01-10 12:40:54
Support because I love Tweeb's red suit.



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Sanity [clean ehr
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2019-01-18 17:19:05
Support! I truly don't see what the problem with this was. As many have said, it's easy to avoid breeding double markings, and they're not going to stop you from getting a certain mark from the breeding (unless the male has a double mark).

Besides that, it adds value to markings in bad slots. Last July, I won a Celestial Lioness with the new base and eyes, and I was elated! She never passed it, ah well. Jax hounded me for her cubs, despite them not having her base or eyes. I didn't realize it until I saw what he did with the cubs, but she was the first lion on the site to have Slot 1 Celestial Speckles. He was out to make sure it didn't get hoarded, and to arrange for a king to have the marking so that it could be spread more easily.

I'm over here thinking "I get that, but realistically, who's going to want slot 1 Celestial Speckles?" My current king has slot 8 Celestial Speckles, and it's pretty covered up just by EHR! People want that marking on top. On the other hand, slot 1 Celestial Speckles is valuable to someone who wants to stack Celestial Speckles, so it no longer feels useless or wasted. Same with plenty of other markings.



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GalacticRing (#68231)

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2019-02-06 20:50:27
While I personally don't like multiples of the same markings in type or exacts, I really have no problem with bringing this back. I support this. I hadn't realized that people actually liked this in the game, but I can see where it has its perks.



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Hex (#41384)


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2019-02-07 14:40:07
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Just as adamant about this as I was 2 years ago



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Rappadapa (#159680)

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2019-03-14 05:21:08
Support cause even though I didn't breed them I know other people did and I liked watching the projects tbh



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Edited on 14/03/19 @ 05:21:33 by Rappadapa [Rough Ruby] (#159680)

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Posted on
2019-04-07 09:11:12
Support! It wasn't at all a problem back when it was a 'bug' so there's not exactly a problem honestly

Also I want to breed lions with double marks ;;



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