Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [1200+ Support]

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots).

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 1257 supports and 127 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/02/23 @ 16:29:08 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2020-05-23 13:45:06
Passed over. Back to bumping guys, rip.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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Posted on
2020-05-25 08:06:57
Too bad about how those choices were worded guys. I really think they should have left it at yes/no, instead of (imo poorly) giving half sentence summaries of kinda-sorta what either side wants...



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king🐊🔅 (#100312)

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Posted on
2020-10-27 20:21:54
I don't get how they disabled breeding double markings, and yet with a marking applicator you can apply double markings. . . This is actually a nuisance for me, (see my king) - who I've spent seven bloodbourne applicators on trying to get vitiligo. Instead, I keep getting siamese, belly, dapple, etc. . . which are. . . useless slots.

They are completely useless as these double marks can't pass on to cubs, and just raise the stud fee for no reason, while also making my king unbearably red when all I wanted was bloodbourne vit.

If they're going to disable breeding double markings, but have it so you can still apply double markings without even trying too, well . . . what the hell?

At first this didn't have my support due to the pure frustration I've been feeling with having used seven applicators and getting useless doubles, but thinking about it - reenabling the system would make it so those marking slots are actually, you know, useful.

I support.



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Pomeranian (#219858)

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Posted on
2020-10-28 03:25:58
I agree, double markings are cool.



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Clover (#33354)

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Posted on
2020-10-30 18:59:16
I didn't know that they did this? (I haven't been on in a long while.)
I support so hard.



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2020-11-09 08:38:16
supporting this so hard. i wanna double support it. i breed for nimravus marks and am trying to get multiple on my lions. if the bug isnt hurting anyone, bring it back please



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Glitchdragon.exe💚 (#208120)

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Posted on
2020-11-23 20:18:39
I support. I see no reason for the passing of double markings to be barred when you're allowed to get double markings from applicators. I had no idea this was even an issue.

At most, I had mistakenly heard that applicators blocked double markings , but not that breeding blocked double markings. I just had automatically assumed that double markings may pass, as every other marking does. I honestly see no point to allowing double markings from applicators if they're just going to be mostly useless in the end. They just take up precious marking slots, raise your slot fees, and taunt either you or other players.

Like E-quagga pointed out, it feels unfair to allow more easy mutie breeding but disallow more easy double marking breeding. Not every player can play during September or afford high gnawrock costs.

Edit: Right, adding onto my point of "I didn't know this was an issue", I just realized a breeding project I had plotted out had two Vitiligo 1 markings on it. I never really put too much effort into this project, nor would I have been trying to get the exact vit markings if I ever did. I doubt I would ever finish it to be honest, but this double markings block effectively shoots any attempts at an exact match in the foot.



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Edited on 27/11/20 @ 17:37:52 by Glitchdragon.exe💚 (#208120)

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Clone [BLM] (#114281)

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Posted on
2021-05-06 05:05:34
I was very new to Lioden when this may have been out! Did this also include rare markings like rosettes?



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Posted on
2021-05-10 15:37:03
I would love to have a multi margay lion of the same colors and its sad we cant have that :(



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☀️︎Maeryll|10x
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2021-05-10 15:50:24
Damn if they bring it back i really can try for FULL ukame x3



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Maxine | Full
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Posted on
2021-07-01 11:19:15
Bring this thread back up!



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mousecouch🕷️ (#21960)

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Posted on
2021-10-17 13:31:35
Wish I could support this 100 times lol



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Jacksass (#110317)

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Posted on
2022-01-13 10:03:30
I can't stress enough how hard I support it! It's been up for4 years already with so many supports and so little non-supports and yet it isn't implemented???



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Slade (#36600)

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Posted on
2022-02-21 12:40:53
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794148425985

Take a look at this, shes a double rosette.
ID # #794148425985

Slot 1: Ebony Soft Rosette (58%)
Slot 4: Ginger Quagga (60%)
Slot 5: Ebony Heavy Rosette (62%)
Slot 6: Mottled Rosette (57%)
Slot 7: Feralis Onyx (33%)
Slot 8: Ebony Soft Rosette (75%)

Both mother and father contributed to the ESR in both slots presented. Im not sure when she was born, but it cant be from 4 years ago.

If rosettes can do it, all markings should qualify.



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Edited on 21/02/22 @ 12:43:17 by Slade (#36600)

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Posted on
2022-02-21 12:54:02
@Slade (#36600)
Could be from an ochre gnawrock :(

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BRING THIS THREAD BACK UP LET'S GO WE CAN DO IT!



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