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frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-12 14:09:04

Head Tilt - Idiopathic Vestibular Disease

A head tilt is a condition where an animal's head is tilted to either side. The most common cause is a disorder of the vestibular system, but there are other causes like abnormal tissue growth, bacteries or infections of the inner ear.

Examples of the head tilt in animals:
cat with head tilt
dog with head tilt
rabbit with head tilt

The mutation would not appear at birth. Instead, it could appear randomly between the age of 3 months to 1 year and 11 months (this may change, as the condition in real life can appear anytime). It would not be a passable mutation.

I think that a lion with this mutation could die randomly from the day the mutation starts to show to 16 years, although it would not be likely for the lion to die too early, and it would be quite rare for the lion to reach 16 years of age. All of this information can change! This is just how I imagine it would be.

Symptoms: stumbling, lack of coordination, constantly falling over, inability to focus, circling and possible nausea and vomiting.

If a lioness had this mutation, they would not be able to hunt, and if they were a lion then they would not be able to patrol or be set as a king. As a cub, they would fail almost every time in the cub training due to their lack of coordination.

Maybe the lion could stay with the broodmother? Instead of creating a whole new role (for protecting head tilted lions), I think it would be best if the lion with head tilt could be assigned again under a broodmother! (of course they wouldn't be able to until the mutation appears!) -KiwiBerb

And here are a few message ideas:
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"You decided to check up on [Name] and noticed that they started acting weird. They were walking in circles and they couldn't hold an upright posture. You shrug it off and hope that it will be better tomorrow." - Day 1

"[Name] starts heading towards you but falls over. When they stand up you realize that their head is tilted to one side. You start thinking that something is really wrong. . ." - Day 2

"After two days, [Name] still wasn't looking better. They kept complaining about feeling nauseous. You wish there was something that could make them feel better." - Day 3

Please tell me your opinions on this! And feel free to draw some art concept if you'd like.






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Edited on 24/11/18 @ 08:03:45 by frappo (#137881)

LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)


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2018-11-12 14:28:19
I feel so bad for finding this cute ;0; At least they'd be able to survive with the help of the pridemates. A little lack of coordination doesn't seem like the end of the world. Support.



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2018-11-12 14:29:50
I personally like the idea of this mutation, but I feel like it should be present in younger lions - from around 3 months onwards; or perhaps it could trigger upon cub-weaning? We had a dog with a mild head-tilt due to ear abnormalities, and she lived a very happy existence, and we first noticed it was present at three months old.



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frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-12 14:39:19
@LittleAntler Thank you for the support! I feel bad for thinking it's cute too ;;

@Cala You're right, but it can actually appear at any point in life and I just wanted to narrow it down to when it's the most common to appear. I'll change it to 3 months for now though, thank you for your feedback!



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😸 Chonk 😸 (#54568)

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2018-11-12 14:43:37
yes please



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springflight {pie
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2018-11-13 11:08:37
there should be an option to set another pridemate as a helper for them!! like what @littleantler said



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frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-13 11:34:27
@antlers
yes! :0 because a lion with head tilt wouldn't be able to survive without someone to help them



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Edited on 13/11/18 @ 11:37:18 by frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-15 18:24:40
Hmm maybe the lion could stay with the broodmother? Instead of creating a whole new role, i think it would be best if the lion with head tilt could be assigned again under a broodmother! (of course they wouldn't be able to until the mutation appears!)



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frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-16 05:20:57
@KiwiBerb I'll add that into the post if you don't mind! Thanks for the feedback ~



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Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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2018-11-19 14:32:37
1 i totally support this and think the idea of a broodmother keeping them safe (and negating the chance of them suddenly dying) would be great!

2 im guessing if it can appear at any time, from 3 months to adulthood then it would require a new class of mutation, similar to AMPs? perhaps "Underlying Mutation Present" could be the term for it?



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frappo (#137881)

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2018-11-19 14:41:42
@Juminakata thanks for the support! and also I think that the underlying mutation present idea would be a good idea if the head tilt was ever added into lioden - it might require some extra coding but if the coders are up for it then it would be great!



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Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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2018-11-19 15:25:26
yeah! i dont think it would be too difficult, given that they already have the AMP coding they could probably copy and modify!



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πŸ“HootπŸ“ [Semi
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2018-11-22 07:55:40
Not sure if this could apply to a mutation, but IRL if a head tilt is caused by an infection/parasite and the infection is treated, the head tilt can remain even if the infection is gone. I work at a vet for exotics (birds, rodents, reptiles) and I've seen rabbits and rats with permanent head tilts that otherwise lived normal lives since the cause of their head tilt was treated. Not sure if it's the same for dogs and cats tho, and the lack of a full field of view would def impact their ability to survive in the wild.



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Griff 🐈 (#26694)

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2018-12-08 08:23:35
Hmm, reading up on this, I don't think it would work as a Lioden mutation because

a. if it is caused by an underlying mutation [or infection etc.]it isn't idiopathic. Idiopathic conditions arise spontaneously and with no clear cause.
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b. While reading up on the idiopathic form of the condition in cats, I found this: "idiopathic vestibular disease is a short-term, self-resolving condition. It does not continue for months. (Older affected dogs can have a residual, often permanent, head tilt, but this rarely occurs in cats.) Usually, the uncontrollable eye movement disappears within days."
That is to say, usually this resolves itself and the only treatment is of the symptoms [because it is not known what causes it], making it no good for a long time mutation.

A condition with similar effects that might work instead though is Cerebellar Hypoplasia, though that condition is present from birth and does not worsen or get better.



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Edited on 08/12/18 @ 08:25:08 by Griff 🐈 (#26694)

frappo (#137881)

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2018-12-08 08:57:43
a. I didn't know that.. thank you for telling me!
b. it rarely occurs, yes, but that means that the mutation could just be very rare, since it IS possible to turn into a permanent head tilt in cats (while in rabbits it is quite common, but they can still live a long healthy life with the proper care)

I'll go read about Cerebellar Hypoplasia in a moment



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Griff 🐈 (#26694)

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2018-12-08 10:12:43
It'd have to be a very rare mut to work then since it does usually resolve in cats, and I don't think there is data on it in lions so cats are what we have to work with.

Though the general symptom of a head-tilt can definitely stay in any animal if it was caused by an infection or something similar, wouldn't be idiopathic then though.

CH causes wobbliness, head tremors, and in very bad cases an inability to walk, so it is not exactly a head tilt, but a similar condition often seen in cats. The condition is not progressive or lethal on its own[the cat can learn to cope with it so it can improve a little from that, but not on its own], but in Lioden terms, it could be lethal by cause of accident like Deaf lions. Also I would think a CH lion would be unable to hunt or patrol or be king due to lack of coordination.



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