I want chonk! Maybe it would be a genetic issue where the lion has a hard time losing weight?!

I think we could make it work that way, So you have my support

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Yes! I have a "chunky" Clumber Spaniel. It's actually just a mutation in their body type that makes their bones and muscles bigger.

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I disagree for all of the reasons previously stated. This game is supposed to be staying semi-realistic, (even tho like green lions but anyways.)

The fact that people are just wanting this because it’s cute, doesn’t negate the real affects that situations like this have on lions.
1. Have you ever seen a fat lion in the wild? No, because although lions may overeat, they are moving long distances, patrolling, hunting, etc
2. The incredible amount of health issues that come with being overweight would be lethal in the wild.
3. It isn’t “cute” I like fluffy poofy things as much as the rest but having an animal that is considered cute because it is fat, is honestly disgusting and pathetic. I consider it a form of abuse when domestic animals are fed way too much and the owner doesn’t care or doesn’t see what’s wrong about it. It’s not different in my eyes just because it’s a game.
4. This, as said before, could lead to real life issues.

I’m all for body positivity, but this ain’t it chief. This isn’t the way to do that’s

Now if it was lethal, and was more aimed towards being educational on the problems that diabetes, thyroid problems, etc had, I’d be much more inclined to agree with it. But as what it’s currently described as? Definitely not supporting.

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No support for the reasons oldyeller, Zodiac, and Triggrhappy stated. Perpetuating 'fat animals are cute' doesn't seem like something that Lioden should be putting ANY energy into... Suggestions like this need to focus on things that actually effect lions in the wild, and obesity is the total opposite of the reality that is going hungry for days at a time. I feel like the point of animal sims that are so immersive like this one, is not at all to reflect who you are or what human society is like. It's to show you what it's like to be that animal. Not everything needs to be a reflection of us humans, and- it shouldn't, clearly. The more we try to get lioden to humanize their sim, the less it's going to be Lioden and more Anthroden. Which would be fine, but that's not what we came here for.

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Sorry if this was already suggested but maybe it could be a pose? just a thought so it can have no in game affect and then it won't bother anyone lmao. but this is really cute and it would be an adorable mutation. support!

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something tells me making it a pose would make those people above even more angry about my suggestion, but I would love it if it were a pose, and if we had body type poses, like emaciated, muscular, fat, ect. I just love having variant lions and ones that i can make/base off myself/my characters/ ect. Plus, then people could make some REAL accurate mufasa and scar lions, which I'm sure people would like to do.

if i can have a green two-faced mutant lion with literal clothing and horns and still think it's adorable, it's not like i'm going to develop a want to buy a two-headed pet, dye my animals, or put them in clothes/costume. I don't really see how it would effect things in real life. I personally greatly dislike it when people have obese animals, and have pissed off my own friends by telling them their pets are too overweight.

furthermore, if this sim was exclusively about simulating a lion experience, we wouldn't have events based on giant flying snakes blasting out of the ground and trying to end the entire world.
I understand if anyone prefers to play it more realistically, but gameplay wise? realism/simulation is kinda dead.

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Agreed! Plus, some lions and other animals do starve, so skinny lions isn't even out of the realm of possible. Plus, this is a game and isn't real. If i can have a bright pink lion wearing flowers that fights snakes then he should be able to be chubby.

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Society doesn't support buying mutant, two-headed, green animals. It does, however, support making animals fat for the sake of being cute IN SPADES. This doesn't need to be perpetuated more by a very popular game since animals are intentionally made or kept fat for a purely aesthetic purpose or because their owners neglect them, which IS abusive because it literally kills them faster and causes joint problems, /among others/.

This sim is definitely a lion-exclusive game, considering... we can only simulate lions. The events are designed to peak/keep interest, and add spiritual/historical/fantasy relevance. There is an event to suit everyone's tastes, and they reward members with special items. (not to mention you can completely avoid events if you so choose). Obviously that doesn't happen in the wild, but the reason it's fine is because it isn't actively supporting a rampant problem in our society and forcing it onto an animal to get some sort of happy feeling/validation out of it that is ... purely selfish and unnecessary - and wrong. Besides, there was already someone on this thread who suffers from thyroid problems who voiced her concerns, clearly not supporting it. So saying that it should be on here just because you are overweight/suffering from thyroid issues just isn't a good reason... especially because people (i.e. the other commenters) want it just because it's cute to them to have a fat animal EVEN if it's unhealthy/potentially deadly. That's the exact kind of thinking that's the problem here.

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Fuckin’ PREACH @Isla

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Their are actually some genes linked to weight gain so I could get behind this. Here are two studies with chunky mice

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130718142807.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171113153824.htm

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I have a dog that was recently diagnosed with thyroid issues. He was quite overweight despite being on a diet for years and being forced to regularly exercise. While he has developed mild arthritis due to his weight, he is still happy and active for his old age. Any don't worry, other thread goers. Now that the underlying issue is known he is on medication and quickly moving to a normal weight.

On top of that, I have struggled with my own weight since I could remember. I have a hard time losing and keeping off weight, even though I eat healthy and exercise regularly. It is something I got from my mom, and my mom got from her dad.

I support this idea because it is not only a cute mutation in the same vein as dwarfism, toothless, or clawless in terms of being terrible in the real world yet fun and interesting in a game that already has plenty of unrealistic or possibly problematic mutations.

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The only way I would support that was if there were restrictions. Other than that, no support.

Lioden tries to stay somewhat realistic with mutations, and I have frankly never seen a wild obese lion. Lioden realism aside, obesity does shorten lifespans. Whether on humans or animals. Obesity leads to diabetes, bone spurs, poor circulation, infertility, and heart problems. Some obesity is caused by pre-existing conditions such as problems with the thyroid, but that isn't a mutation within itself.

The only way I could really support this is if this was lethal (they pass away later in life like with deaf lions), or there is other restrictions such as nerfs on stats, inability to be kinged, inability to hunt, or never having higher than average fertility.

Obesity is a health problem and will have life consequences, especially at the size in the drawing. I just think it would be dumb to surpass all possible consequences in the game just so people can have, "Oh so cute chonky kings," when it just isn't right or fair to others that have a favorite lethal/restricted mutation. For example, I actually really like blind lions, but I can't king them. Why? Because in explore it wouldn't be realistically feasible in the game. Why should a morbidly obese lion be able to do that? They have the gift of sight, yes, but have you never seen an obese animal or human? They struggle to move. They can't run efficiently. They can't walk for very long because their knees ache and their feet swell up due to the strain on their bodies specifically due to the sheer weight.

I can understand other users' concerns in this thread, I can see those not wanting this on here in worry that it would make the pet obesity epidemic worse. I can see users being okay with this because they personally know game from reality. I just don't see something like this that changes your life being put on here and it being a purely aesthetic mutation. Especially when the evidence is there that it does affect quality of life in a major enough way that this would warrant gameplay restrictions.

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I say no for the same reasons as other people in this thread.

First, this was obviously made to make fat animals look cute. This is a huge problem in the real world, unlike other mutations and it really doesn't need more promotion.

Second, if you put down a real world diseases there will be a lot of controversy for whatever you put down. I would be upset if a lion THIS big was said to have hypothyroidism because it puts on 5 - 10 pounds and I've worked to keep my weight gain at a minimal. I have other family members who would disagree and say it adds a 100 pounds, one  even quit going to doctors that told them different. I don't want to fight with anyone about hypothyroidism, I just want to point out that either way you do it you're going to upset some group of people.

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This reminded me of my own thread, fetal macrosomia. Its when a lion is born bigger and/or slightly heftier or buff than usual. https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429415268

But yeah im gonna no support cause this is not really something you'd see in the wild.

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