Posted by Search by Mutation Comparability decor

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-02 18:07:46

This is mostly aimed at the custom decor list but can also be applied to pretty much every other search function on the site.

I was trying to find some decor to put on my Tigon today, and after realizing that there's no way to search for only Tigon compatible decor, custom or site, I realized this was going to be a huge pain in my ass!

There is currently no way to search for any decor on the site based on which mutation they are compatible with. When looking through the custom decor list in particular the only way to search is by Age, Gender, Mane type, or Name. Now you can type what you want into the search bar but unless the person who uploaded it to the site put the name of the mutation in the title (which, most of them didn't) it's not going to show up in the search. For example when I searched "Gon" or "Tigon" stuff does come up, but it also misses a large number of decors that are compatible with Tigons because the uploader didn't put Tigon in the name.

Currently the only way to search in the Trade Center for items is by it's name, which is all good if you've found a decor that fits your Tigon already and want to buy one. But even that would be pain staking, especially when the only real master list of decor on the site is in the Monkey Shop, and those don't list if they're mutation friendly. I think that needs to change.

Maybe only one change needs to be made, maybe allow the Item Catalogue in the monkey shop be updated to allow us to search items based on mutation compatibility. Because it includes all items on the site, custom and site made.

Or just update the Custom Decor list to have a "mutation" option in the search.

This would make it so much easier for users who have mutated lions they want to add decor to.

EDIT: After some discussion may need to update the field in the custom decor for when uploading the art -- there is already a field there for versions available that the person uploading has to tick off, possibly add a spot to select which mutation version and then allow us to search for "(mutation name here) versions available">.




This suggestion has 48 supports and 2 NO supports.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 04:33:17 by Kaliyana (#11505)

Kiri [5k Dawn Mott
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2019-08-04 19:58:53
I agree there needs to be better functionality to searching for CD decors. But at the moment you can go to the item catalogue and search there. There are options for custom decor and you can use the mutation as the keyword. Quite simple :)


Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-05 02:03:23
That works and all but not entirely. It works the same way as in the custom decoration search by keyword. It only brings up any that the uploader put the mutation in the title. It still doesn't bring up the ones that I have found just by going through and looking that don't have the mutation in the title.

Searching by keyword only works half-way, which is the reason why I'm suggesting a some way to search for mutation compatibility. And not just for custom decor -- if they change the search to be in the Item Catalogue then it will include every decor/item on the site that can be compatible with any specific mutation. Otherwise it may be missed. Would also like to point out that any site decor that does not have the mutation name in the title also does not show up when you search by keyword.

Or even just change the keyword search to include item descriptions as well as title -- that would also probably fix the issue, considering as far as I can tell every custom decor that is mutation specific says the mutation in the description even if it doesn't in the title.


Kiri [5k Dawn Mott
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2019-08-05 06:39:28
Site decor isn't tested for compatibility with mutation files. I highly doubt they'd test and compile that information. I know for a while someone had a list on items they'd tested on certain mutations.
I supported your idea, I wasn't knocking it. It would only work with custom decor though. Could be as simple as a checkbox CD designers would have to click when submitting or updating their decor.



Edited on 05/08/19 @ 06:40:08 by Kiri [5k Dawn Mott Orchid Pie] (#31868)

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 04:25:20
Im afraid that wont be possible, as Lioden's very decor system does NOT recognise if a lion has a mutation or not; it simply applies the decor image over the lion, without checking any info about their mutations. It simply doesnt SEE if a lion has a mutation; so there's no way to make the game filter decors "for this or that mutation" without entirely recoding the decor system! It's not a matter of a simple adjustment, it'd require re-building the entire way decor works.


Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 04:30:29
@Mad Hyena (#29080) -- Well no, it's not impossible. Because it'll probably have to be for JUST the custom decor feature, as Kiri pointed out site decor isn't tested for mutation compatibility but when users upload for custom decor if they wanted it to be compatible with a decor they would have had to draw the lineart for it. All the custom decors already have a description saying what version they are available for, simply add a field for which mutation and then allow us to search based on any custom decors that have "(mutation name here) version available"



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 04:30:47 by Kaliyana (#11505)

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 05:35:47
But it will then still be up to users to fill in - just like including a "For Tigon" in decor name, there wont be any guarantee people will full that field out! So it wont change the situation drastically - you'd still have to check through all decors for sale to find which are compatible for mutation you want, because there'd STILL be decors that fit but dont have the field filled in.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 05:39:23 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 05:39:40
They have to.

You cannot upload a custom decor for one specific mane type without selected which mane type it's for. You cannot upload a custom decor for adults only without selecting that. You cannot upload a custom decor for cubs only without selecting that.

Currently the only option when uploading a custom decor for a Tigon (just an example, but works for all mutations that change the lineart) is just to select "All". There needs to be an option there for which mutation type.

Adding "Tigon" to the name is optional, but selecting which version lineart you have when uploading it not.


Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 05:40:59
BUT the mutation CANNOT be made a specific trait like for adults only or for tsavo mane only, because the site's very decor system DOES NOT regonise a lion has a mutation! There is no way to make it realise a lion is mutated without recoding the entire decor system!

The current decor system, ONLY sees your basic lions' info, but mutation is an additional, separate kind of info. The system does not see the difference between a tigon and a leopon, all it see is "Adult Male Lion". To make it see if it's a tigon or a leopon it'd need a giant, site-wide recode, because the very system doesnt include mutations in it right now.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 05:42:28 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 05:56:23
I'm not asking it to recognize a mutated lion?

I'm asking for additional options when UPLOADING a custom decor. The user makes the custom decor for Tigon ONLY, but there is currently no option for uploading the decor to specify that it is for Tigons only unless they decide to put that into the title. And depending on the title they wanted for the decor it may be too long to do that, so they don't do it. When uploading custom decors you have to specify which versions are available based on which lineart they used for the decor, there is currently no option for "Tigon" or "Leopon" etc when uploading these custom decors.

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This is one example of what a user selects when they upload a custom decor, these are the art options that THEY made when they drew and colored the custom decor. Their decor only works with these versions.

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This is a second example, where a user only drew decor for THESE specific versions. This decor would not work on any of the posed lions, or the additional cub stages linearts as the one above would. Because this user did not draw the decor lines for those linearts so they cannot select those options, they just wouldn't work.

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This is the options at the top of the custom decor list, that lets you filter out custom decor by the versions that people have selected. There is no option in any of those drop down menus to search for mutation specific because there is no option when UPLOADED to specify it's mutation specific. If an addition when uploaded was created to allow users to select Tigon, Leopon, Polycaudal, Primal, Dwarf etc, then an option could be added to allow us to search by ONLY that version.

The system doesn't need to recognize any lions as mutated, because when you click a custom decor to try it on it just shows all your lions anyway. YOU will know which of you lions is mutated and which you want preview the decor on, but the site does not need to know that or to record it. Right now I can try ANY custom decor on my Tigon and it just won't work unless it's Tigon specific -- this does not need to change or be altered in any way, so the way the site recognizes lions doesn't need to change.

It's literally just an addition when uploading.

As already stated, it's a change to the custom decor, not to the site decor, as one user already pointed out that site decor isn't really set for mutation anyway, so there would be no need to change anything to do with the site decor.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 05:57:13 by Kaliyana (#11505)

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 06:00:26
But then again, the system wont be obligatory and will be purely up to the user to fill in. -.-
If it wont check if the lion is a tigon or not, it'll be just an optional field that people can fill in or skip. And people may choose to just pick "For all stages" because, why choose for Tigon only, it will work the same if it's set for All.

PLUS it will be confusing to people and make them think the site DOES recognise the mutation on a lion. It'd produce more confusion and drama than it's worth. People will think they can put Tigon and Leopon versions into a single decor and be upset when it's not the case, and the game does NOT see the difference between a leopon and a tigon lion, and thus Tigon and Leopon versions still need a separate custom decor for each.

Sorry, no support. In the end, it will just be a useless addition because people will STILL put decors in other categories than for Tigon, and you'd anyway have to search all manually to check if decors fit with your lion.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 06:03:03 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 06:07:00
That's fair, you don't have to support.

But all other options on the custom decor list are left up to the user to fill out to specify what versions the decor works on, and by your explanation those options are also useless options. People are ALREADY using the versions available which is up entirely to the user uploading, so I personally don't see the harm in adding additional "versions available" for mutations that have different linearts.


Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 06:10:08
You fail to see what I explain entirely. X.X

The current versions, are versions that the decor system can SEE.
It can see if a lion is adolescent male or adolescent female.
It can see if a lion is a Male Tsavo Mane or a Male Barbary Mane.

But it CANNOT see if a lion is a Tigon or a Leopon!
That option is NOT included when a site is checking "which file to display for a lion".
It checks Age, Mane, Stage, Pose, but it does NOT check for a mutation.
For the game, a tigon and a leopon look exactly the same, it does NOT tell them apart. Unlike the ACTUAL info like age and stage which it DOES check for!

So no, it's absolutely not the same situation, for actual thing it checks on a lion, and a feature it doesnt recognise. For the current decor system, a non-mutated lion and a Tigon lion look exactly the same, it cannot tell them apart because there's no such option. And coding that option is no small feat.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 06:14:10 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 06:15:32
You clearly don't seem to see what I was explaining either, and are being rather hostile about it, so this will be my last post regarding it, I'm not starting a debate.

The versions available doesn't actually check your lions -- I can try literally every single decor in the custom decor list on my Tigon and unless the user drew it to work with Tigon Lineart it just doesn't work. Same as I can use the search to only show the specific version I have selected, I can still try that decor on literally any of my lions regardless of mutation or not. That does not need to change.

The Versions available does NOT check lions in peoples pride in ANY way. It literally just means that a decor has been drawn to WORK WITH that lineart. Versions available does not currently check any lions or mutations, it does not limit what lions you can try the decor on, it doesn't do anything other then give you a way to narrow down the list when looking through the custom decor list.

Which is why adding "Tigon version" to the list would NOT be a game breaking addition.

If you want to discuss it further feel free to PM me, because I am not starting a debate/fight.



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 06:28:58 by Kaliyana (#11505)

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-08-16 06:19:38
"The versions available doesn't actually check your lions --" um, you're wrong, it does. O.O
You cannot equip a decor for Female Good pose, onto a Female Evil pose.
It just wont show on the dropdown.
It will display blank image on trying out, but it wont let you use a decor on a wrong version - the lion in question wont show up on the dropdown. I can give you a copy of my own custom decor to check - it only works on adult males and adult females, so if you try to apply it to an adolescent lion, it wont work, the adolescent wont be displayed in the dropdown.

ALSO how would it be able to tell which option of the decor to apply if it didnt tell them apart?
How would it tell which version, Tsavo mane or Barbaric mane, to display on a lion, if it didnt tell them apart? It does tell the versions apart, the entire decor system wouldnt work if it didnt. And if you think it doesnt limit your ability to apply decors, then I will disappoint you - sorry it does, unfitting lions wont display on equip drop down menu (not preview menu - actual decor apply menu from your Hoard).



Edited on 16/08/19 @ 06:22:35 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Kaliyana (#11505)

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2019-08-16 06:21:49
Thanks for posting. :)