Posted by Primal Variation Inspired by Thylacosmilus

Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 13:06:48

I reworked this thread because I really rushed the old explanation (and drawings) of why I would like this creature to be a part of lioden.

The aspect is still the same, but I tried to get a little bit more into the scientific stuff.
Alrighty, let's start.
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Thylacosmilus is a extinct mammal, that is believed to live in the Late Miocene to Pliocene. The interesting thing about this animal is it's unique headshape. At first glance you might think this is some really weird sabertoothed cat.

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Thylacosmilus headshape, that could be easily confused with a roman nose - often found in other animals like Bull Terriers, Oriental Shorthair cats and Kladrubers - is caused by its teeth. While the other species got their headshape because humans bred them to be like this. But Thylacosmilus teeth had such long roots, they deformed its head and ended just above the orbit.

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However, Thylacosmilus was not related to felines. It belonged in the extinct order of Sparassodonta and is more related to marsupials.
Thus said, I can totally understand if people don't like the idea of having a primal version based on a marsupial. BUT - lioden is a fantasy game. We have green, blue and pink bases, we also have piebald mutations, which have never been recorded on lions, but instead quite often in deers.


I actually was able to find a species, that is kinda related to cats and has a few Thylacosmilus traits. Barbourofelis was a Felioformia (still not a feline, but hear me out) and had just like Thylacosmlius very large teeth and the big chin, so the idea of cats possibly having this isn't that far.

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Skull of Barbourofelis fricki



Apparently every Felidae belongs to the Suborder of the Felioformia, but not every Felioformia is a Felidae.
For example - humans. Humans belong into the Subfamily Homininae, just as Gorillas do. But that doesn't make the Gorilla a human. We still have the same ancestor.

It works the same for Felioformia; Lions and Barbourofelis have the same ancestor, but lions did not descend from Barbourofelis. (Btw, same goes for Smilodon and Lions)

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Alright, enough with the scientific stuff. Time to draw what I want to explain to you guys. For this I 'catified' the skull of Thylacosmilus and this is what i've came up with:

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The Body

Obviously I wouldn't suggest to take the body of Thylacosmilus for a Primal in this game (since it's not even a cat)...

Instead, I made my own thing. I took some pictures of floofy tigers as reference and slapped together this (in case your wondering why this pose is so familiar, I took the snarky pose as reference)

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Hidden in the spoiler are the previous mockups I did, in case someone wants to see them



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After all, the body type is a optional suggestion, this thread is more about the headshape.


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Also, maybe check out my other suggestion for a new Primal version inspired by Megantereon?




This suggestion has 249 supports and 20 NO supports.



Edited on 28/10/19 @ 14:43:21 by Tharkenta [Clean Felis] (#160101)

BoneSmirk [wreck.] (#31477)

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Posted on
2019-10-17 13:11:13
I love primals and am 325% dOWN for a roman nose kiddo


Mots - RP please? (#5378)

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2019-10-17 13:12:15
They look pretty interesting. Maybe the lower jaw could be extended a bit like it shows on the skull to work with the teeth in the mockup? But even with the jaw closed, it might extend a little past the bone like with smilodons and other sabre tooth critters.


Braveheart (#180192)

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Posted on
2019-10-17 13:12:21
Love


Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 13:12:39
Honestly, if we ever get the roman noses for normal lions as a mutaions, maybe this primal variation can get a little boost to drop roman noses in his offspring


Macey (#25961)


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2019-10-17 13:13:04
Supported :OO
They only thing I see that could be changed is that the chin needs to be a little longer imo, but other than that I think it looks fantastic :D


Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 13:19:14
Alrighty, I reworked the mockups a little bit, I made the teeth a little bit smaller and the chin a little bit longer!



Edited on 17/10/19 @ 13:19:37 by Tharkenta [Clean Felis] (#160101)

Macey (#25961)


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2019-10-17 13:20:23
Ahh I think that's much better!


xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2019-10-17 13:22:34
While I always like to see a new primal mutation I feel like this is straying from the prehistoric lions too much. I'm not no-supporting as I do like the design, I just think we need to find a prehistoric lion and not a marsupial to link it to the in-game (even if the original inspiration was from a thyla) and tweak the design a lil to suite
Here's a couple? (Could come with cool markings)
xenosmilus
homotherium
maybe a cave lion? (Although they look a lot more lion-esque than the design)


Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 13:30:25
I can see your point, but I've looked at their skulls and they look basically pretty similar to modern lions/other big cats. What I really like about the thylaco is, that their teeth basically grew into their skulls giving them their unique headshape.
If I would use one of your suggested felines as base, they wouldn't have the arc on their head and would probably looks like all the other primals we have.


xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2019-10-17 13:37:25
I think if it's for the curved nose, then it would be a roman-nose mutation, I can't see a non-feline being a mutation in a lion sim, unless a prehistoric feline can be found with such a nose ^-^

I can see your point, I do like the design, but if it has no relation to lions I can't see it being Okayed

(If the focal point of the design is a different species entirely it doesn't make sense to add it in as a prehistoric variation of lions)



Edited on 17/10/19 @ 13:39:24 by xXDruidXx (#74535)

Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 14:00:12
Thats why 'inspired' is written in the title lol
I mean I could have wrote 'imagine a smilodon, but their canines have humongous roots, so big their skull is deformed!'
It would basically be the same outcome, as using Thylaco as reference.


xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2019-10-17 14:35:17
But that's not a primal lion mutation imo
It'd be a roman nose? So something different entirely, again i don't see it fitting with the primal feline?

Like a hairless lion wouldn't be a human mutation and the hairlessness being a bioproduct of the human.
It'd be a hairless mutation standalone

(I hope that makes sense, I'm not entirelly sure how to explain it).
Basically it's a completely unrelated species, I don't see it tying in with the primals ^-^



Edited on 17/10/19 @ 14:36:42 by xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2019-10-17 14:40:22
Roman noses don't happen because the teeth are rooted way back in the skull, so it's still not simply a Roman nose mutation. I can see where you're coming from, Druid, since this isn't a feline-based mutation, but hey, green lions and all that jazz. It'd be cool to have!


xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2019-10-17 14:50:39
Gravity I meant visually, if the arc is the reason, I'd suggest it not being a primal mutation, but rather something in itself. (Not neccassarily roman nose, it depends what you're going for)
There is haha, but green lions aren't breedable ^-^ it's more like a dye I suppose!

I can't give the lion a mammoth trunk and say it's a primal mutation is my point XD different species, different mutation.


Tharkenta [Clean G3
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2019-10-17 16:02:51
Oh god I want a green mammoth primal now.
I guess we could take this discussion on for days, but in the end we have to see what the almighty Xylax has to say about this. If he says 'Hell yes!', then I can die happy, but if he says 'Eww, no. Burn it with fire before it lays eggs', then I guess I will do that and act as if nothing happened.

Also I think I mayyy have an Idea that could work with inspiration from megantereon inexpectatus, but I still need to think about that and right now, I just need sleep