Posted by Giving Hybrid Kings a Use—Mutated Gametes

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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2020-02-18 14:22:46
So, the game has already strayed from nature by making all female hybrids fertile. Furthermore, in nature, male hybrids are always infertile—they may not be able to pass on their genes in Lioden, but they are still fertile.

So, I had a thought—what if these males, who shouldn't be able to breed in the first place, had a bit of a problem when it came to producing cubs? And when I say problem, I of course mean a mutation. My suggestion is this:

These hybrid kings could have a very small chance (like, 1/200) of producing a very rare mutation called "mutated gametes". Gametes are sex cells, for those who don't know. As it is currently, they should only be able to breed with goddess lionesses.

This would be an adult mutation and would have no visible signs, and would be possible on both male and female offspring. This mutation itself would do nothing to the lion, but Mutated Gametes lionesses would then have an increased chance of throwing a lethal mutation (slightly greater chance than cotton root bark, but still very rare). Mutated Gametes males could be used to breed other Mutated Gametes lionesses.

The mutation would be passable at 5% when two "mutated gametes" lions were bred together with a lion scrotum, much like Double Uterus. It would not be passable from a single "mutated gametes" parent.

A mutated gamete male would require twice as much energy to breed, and mutated gametes females would always be born at 1% fertility unless boosted. This would mean that breeding a mutated gamete cub wouldn't be easy, but I imagine they would be very valuable if they increased the chances of lethal cubs, and would give hybrid kings (that shouldn't be able to breed at all, may I remind you) a purpose. Potentially they could even give their own type of lethal cubs, that can only be bred from mutated gametes parents.

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- A first-gen hybrid king could have double the chances of throwing a mutated gametes cub, in the same way that a first-gen female has double the odds. So, that would take the chances of throwing a mutated gametes cub from 0.5% chance (regular hybrid king) to 1% (first-gen hybrid king).



This suggestion has 201 supports and 35 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/02/24 @ 02:18:51 by Dier ~ G2 Hexa Ros 8k [Side] (#80015)

Orcinus [ROYAL Fiery
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2020-02-18 14:39:14
Male hybrid kings can breed as of last year.

It takes double the energy, they can only breed to Goddess fertility lionesses, their cubs get a stat debuff and all their female offspring are infertile by default.



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Edited on 18/02/20 @ 14:41:21 by Orcinus [Toasty Floof] (#53206)

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2020-02-18 14:39:52
Ah, thanks, didn't know that. Never knew that, will update the original post.



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2020-02-18 14:40:05
So with this suggestion, are you saying you think they should let leopon kings breed? I thought they were infertile



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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2020-02-18 14:41:42
No, they can breed but as Orcinus explained above (which I didn't know initially) they can only breed goddess gals and need double the energy. In the wild, they're always infertile, and females are not always fertile, but the game decided to make them breedable.



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2020-02-18 14:43:38
Oh! When I typed up my reply theirs wasn't up their, my bad!



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Orcinus [ROYAL Fiery
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2020-02-18 14:44:25
No problems ^w^ As of this September update Link

I tentatively support. With all the hoops you have to jump through to breed to a hybrid in the first place and their godawful base pass rate(0.3>%), why shouldn't there be something to strive for?



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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2020-02-18 14:45:27
I'm happy to hear any other ideas you might have? I feel like hybrid kings are kinda pointless and it would also give hybrids a value boost too, if they can be used to breed lethals down the line.



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2020-02-18 14:56:25
I'm not entirely sure about it, but I'll support because it would make things more interesting



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2020-02-18 14:58:48
It's very hard to come up with ideas to make hybrid kings more sought after without destabilising both the market for them and their rarity.
The issues arise purely due to the fact that they are the players main male and are used for every (well, almost) breeding that player does. So any buff - however small - is amplified by how prolifically they can breed, especially as NCLs are freely available.

Perhaps if there was a small random chance (think, 3 or 4 times in that lions lifetime) that a hybrid kings gametes would "deteriorate" and cause a CRB affect to any (or X) amount of litters that are bred to him. It could be in a little flavour text above the lion. "King Fluffy isn't feeling his usual passionate self today, any litters he concieves today have an increased chance of mutation."



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Edited on 18/02/20 @ 14:59:44 by Orcinus [Toasty Floof] (#53206)

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2020-02-18 15:02:50
That's interesting, but equally, that effect could then be directly targeted (i.e. mass studding on that particular day). that's why I think this would work though, because the chance to get a lethal as a result would be 1 in 4000 in the above example (1 in 200 chance to get a mutated gametes and then even if MG pairings have a 5% for a lethal, that would still make it 1 in 4000 grandcubs that were lethal as a result.



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2020-02-18 15:04:16
That's a good point Orcinus, but what're the chances an NCL is Goddess fertility? I've never paid much attention, but I think most NCL's tend to be everything from VLF-Goddess; Goddess doesn't seem to be very frequent compared to the rest, though.



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Edited on 18/02/20 @ 15:04:53 by R - Rhodonite (#171993)

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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2020-02-18 15:04:52
That's a very good point too. it would make mass breeding harder and increase goddess value potentially too



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Orcinus [ROYAL Fiery
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2020-02-18 15:11:17
I mass claim ncl from energy bar to energy bar with a catnip for added measure, it's just the way I like to play, and I find maybe 1 or 2 goddess fertility lionesses per day, if that. I find far more CRB girls than Goddess ones.
The question is whether these are true NCL or just plain babs that have been chased by players... I honestly don't know.

I'll do some digging and try and find if NCL can naturally be Goddess level.



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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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2020-02-18 15:15:10
In fairness, there are only 1000 goddess gals in the entire game... out of 1,500,000+



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Orcinus [ROYAL Fiery
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2020-02-18 15:17:13
They are genuinely outnumbered by the amount of alive leopons xD

Edit: And tigons too.

Its about a 1:3 ratio of Goddess fertility lionesses to currently alive hybrids.



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Edited on 18/02/20 @ 15:18:59 by Orcinus [Toasty Floof] (#53206)







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