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Heart (#57677)

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Posted on
2020-03-13 02:42:16
Hello, I'm Heart!! ^_^

I've recently started playing Lioden properly, I remember playing years ago but all I did was send my lions off on hunts and apparently I had another King but other than that I'm not really sure what's going on. I've managed to get some of the basics down by following the tutorial but I still have a fairly long list of questions and I'm hoping someone would be willing to put up with me asking

Thank you for reading!

Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2020-03-13 03:11:25
I'd be glad to help. What do you wanna know? c:


Heart (#57677)

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Posted on
2020-03-14 02:26:19
Sorry it's really long, it's okay if you dont want to answer them all >_<

What is "dirty" and "clean"?
Do you sell or chase off NCLs?
Should I stud pretty males to plain NCLs?
Can I get rid of my king yet, I hate him xD
What's the point of lioness levels?
Can NCLs be pretty?
Is SB just acquired by selling spare stuff?
Are any of my lions worth keeping?
Can I just buy a nicer king?
What do you do when your king dies, do you copy him over and reincarnate him?
What are Beetle skins and battles?


Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2020-03-14 04:15:02
1. "Dirty" and "Clean" refer to a lion's heritage. If they have any inbreeding, or they're related to 'The big 4' (Keyser Soze/Sentry the Defiant, Boombah, The Savannah Prince, and HOT HOT TATER TOT), they're considered dirty, even if there's only one instance way back in their heritage. If they have neither a relation to those lions, nor inbreeding, they're clean.

2. Myself, I chase them off. Sometimes I'll breed the special bases, and I usually breed the ones with the CRB effect. As far as chased lionesses go, it depends on their looks. Usually I breed, then chase or sell. When it comes to regular game generated NCLs, you'll probably get no more than 5-20 SB per lion selling as fodder.

3. I wouldn't use plain NCLs, as they're more likely to produce potatoes and less likely to throw rarer bases. If you want low heritage cubs, you can use chased ladies.

4. You'll have to pay a 10 GB fee to retire your current king before he's 15 years old. Once he hits 15, you can retire for free, but you're forced to retire at 16.

5. Higher lioness levels will give you better chances to acquire larger carcasses that fill more hunger and have more uses when those lionesses hunt. Check the prey list in the hunting area for which carcasses can be found where (many users favor marshes and other 'water' tiles)

6. NCLs are usually pretty plain if they're game generated. Sometimes you'll find an NCL-exclusive special base (Maziwa, Asali, and Mobola), but those are usually pretty plain too due to the 2 marking maximum. Occasionally, you'll find a 'chased lioness' (mentioned previously). These are lionesses that players have chased from their territories, so it's impossible to say what exactly you'll get. Chased lionesses are easily spotted when they have a lot of markings, or have a good/evil personality. Once you get an eye for normal NCLs, you'll be able to spot non-NCL markings and bases too.

7. Not exclusively, but mostly. You may get SB as a prize from certain games (Cups, Slots, Serengeti Shuffle, Whack a Snake, Trivia, and beetle battles if you count those), quests (event, snake, and lioness (a special quest you get by selecting the rare "Approach her" option that may appear on a lone lioness encounter), and explore encounters (battles, options, and even just randomly). The most effective way is to hoard items to sell in bulk to the monkey or sell items/GB to other players.

8. That would depend on whether or not you like them personally. Many of your lions are pretty plain and unlikely to produce very pretty offspring. If you love them, there's no reason to get rid of them; but if you want to produce pretty cubs, seek out the traits you like by browsing around the TC and previewing looks in the Wardrobe (Crossroads > Scrying stone > Lion Wardrobe)

9. Yup. You can buy or breed an heir of any sort to your liking (As long as it's a male, you may see female 'kings', but those are still males with a special decor that makes them appear female. It's also worth noting that true females can be sex-changed as cubs if they're mutated, while non-mutated lions can be sex-changed from 0-36 months so long as they haven't bred, patrolled, or hunted as an adult).

10. That's what I do myself, but you don't have to keep your kings looks. When your king retires, you have the options to keep your current looks, use an heir's, or reroll your lion for a starter male. If you choose to keep your king's current looks, your new king will have all the looks of your old one, but will have the stats, heritage, and mutation status (even if it's none).

11. Beetle skins are essentially decorations that replace your beetle's looks so it looks like something else, but still has all the functionality of a beetle of its gender. Beetle battles are an area where you can battle your male beetles against a random beetle in its stat range. Your beetle will gain experience, which can be used to give it one stat per level, and you might even get prizes whether you win or not (a random herb, 10 SB, a tiny bit of experience, or a beetle slot if you have less than 16).


Anything else you're curious about?


On another note, I can help you out to get some pretty lions to start out with.

Check out this den. All these lions are free for the taking, and you can have as many as you'd like.

Also, go search around the trade center. If you find a pretty lion your really like, I'll buy it for you (try to keep it at a cost of 1 GB/1,200 SB or less though)


Heart (#57677)

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Posted on
2020-03-14 07:43:40
Wow! Thank you for taking the time to go through all of that so thoroughly, I genuinely appreciate it.
And thank you for your kind offer of a lion, I may take you up on it at some point but I'll try not to!
A few more questions, If you don't mind!

How many days does it take for a cub to become an adult?
If you breed a lion with a mutation is the cub likely to have it to, or is it random?
Is Opacity also random and do people usually use the item to turn up/down opacity?
Should I always check for mutations on my cubs?
Are there "types" of colour groups? I usually play [redacted] and I collect "eyeburners" which are brightly coloured, it would be cool to have colourful lions and I was wondering if there was a term for them so it would be easier to find ones for sale

Thank you again!




Edited on 14/03/20 @ 15:35:56 by Heart (#57677)

Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2020-03-14 08:41:31
1. A cub becomes a teen at 1 year of age, and an adult at 2 years of age. Each real life day = 1 lioden month.

2. Some mutations can pass to cubs, but most can't without first feeding the female a Lion scrotum item.

Mutations that pass naturally include:
Passes from female
Hybrids (each cub from a first generation hybrid gas a 10% chance to be a hybrid, cubs from any other hybrid will have a 5% chance of the same), Overgrown fur, all piebald/patches patterns, 'Primal (Ferus)'

Passes from male
All piebald/patches patterns, and all Primal variants (Including Ferus. It's also worth noting that while Ferus can only come from a Ferus parent or when a non-mutated lioness eats the Mukombero herb before breeding, Feruses along with any other Primal variant can produce either Smilus, Felis, or regular primal cub. Unless you use the Pennyroyal herb from the Oasis, you're no more likely to get a certain variant from a stud of that specific type than a stud if another variety (ex: Using a Felis stud without Pennyroyal will give you no higher of a chance for a Felis cub than a standard primal stud.)

You can make almost any mutation pass from a female with the use of a Lion scrotum, but Hybrids and all Primals are excluded. There's also a mutation called 'Double uterus' which doubles the amount of cubs that lioness will give birth to in every litter. This mutation will not pass naturally, and while a Lion scrotum ordinarily has a 25% chance to work per cub, for DUs, it's only 5% per cub.


3. To my knowledge, the exact formula for a cub's marking opacities hasn't been announced. Opacities do in fact matter though, as higher opacity parents will produce higher opacity offspring within their ranges, but there's no guarantee of a certain percentage. People do use opacity changers quite often; but they're usually a waste of currency unless you use them on a lion you really love such as your favorite beautiful lioness, a hybrid, a customized immortal lion, or your king. Any changes you make to the lion with applicators (including marking opacity) will affect that lion's future offspring (ex: If you had a lion with very low opacities, they'd produce low opacity cubs; but once you raise their percentages, they will start passing down that higher opacity range. Likewise, if you had a lion with no markings, then applied 5 markings, the cubs will have a chance at inheriting each of those 5 markings from that parent). Opacity does not affect the likelihood of a cub inheriting a certain marking or not.

4. Unless you bred an AMP girl with a Lion scrotum, or used a mutation item (Cotton root bark, Lion meat, or GMO cow), I wouldn't check the cubs. Mutations are very rare when breeding without these items and/or a parent with an inheritable mutation, and you'll likely just end up wasting your SB.

5. There are! Lioden has 4 official color groups: Red, Cream, Golden, and Black. On top of that, we have shades: Light, Medium, and Dark. Further, we have gradients: Solid and Countershaded (some bases are put into one or the other and their classification makes ZERO sense when you look at the base itself, and a lot of users know it). Furthermore again, we have rarities: Common, Uncommon, Rare, and Special. And once again, we have base varieties (but as with rarity, they're not related to color): NCL-Exclusive, NCL (NCLs most commonly have bases you can apply at the Oasis, thus 'NCL-exclusive' is a different category than 'NCL') , Oasis (sometimes referred to as 'Custom'), Breed only, Raffle, Applicator, and Combo. There's far too much info on genetics to delve into right here, so take a look at the Genetics wiki page when you have some spare time.

You will also hear users throwing around certain terms that are unofficial when it comes to coat colors. 'Colorbomb' and 'Pastel' are two very common phrases to describe a lion's entire appearance, but they're unregulated and don't have any bearing code-wise. Colorbombs (or lions with tons of different colored markings) will have a greater chance of producing colorbomb cubs, but that's only due to the standard marking passrates.



I should also make you aware that we're not allowed to discuss other browser-based pet sim games in chat or forums. You can discuss other games such as console, mobile apps, PC MMOs etc., but nothing that resembles Lioden in playstyle or set-up. Wolvden, a developing sister site to Lioden is an execption to this rule because it's run by the same staff. Feel free to discuss it all you like, there's a lot of hype. ^^


Heart (#57677)

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Posted on
2020-03-15 05:28:11
Thank you so much again, Veni! I didn't realize there was so much to breeding in this game, it seems complicated but I've bookmarked this page so I can reread your post :D I guess I'm looking for colorbombs then!

Also thank you for the heads up on that rule, I edited my post!


Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2020-03-15 05:34:18
I'd be glad to help you out in getting started with some pretty lions and a nice king.


Heart (#57677)

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Posted on
2020-03-15 05:52:43
I sent you a message :D