This looks like it took a ton of research, and I fully support this.

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Thank you! I had to make sure the maned lionesses concept was plausible enough to have a chance to be pitched as a lioden mutation! As well as not wasting anyone's time on a piece of fake news.

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this is really clever and defo deserves more support! I love this idea!

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Wow, thank you for your support!

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Supported!
I don't really understand why so many not supported, but didn't say anything on why they don't support. I'm just curious on what their thoughts are

Anyway, I'm unsure on one thing, and that is that it is a very high chance that she gets a mutated cub. But maybe that's just what I think. :)
If she could get a cub, I feel like it would be unfair that it has a high chance of a mutation.

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I would love this. I think that adding maned lioness mutations into the game but not really representing exactly what maned lionesses are observed to do naturally was honestly kind of a waste, so I'd love to actually see these kinds of things more properly implemented.

Overall I think this is a brilliant idea and absolutely support this.

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I don't really understand why so many not supported, but didn't say anything on why they don't support.

The reason for this is because frankly as of late LD's suggestion boards are places where those who don't support generally end up getting blasted by some people. Not all, of course, but plenty enough that it kind of deters people from actually explaining the no support. After all I've had it done myself. Regardless of how logical or reasonable a No Support may be, there is always going to be a handful of people who will absolutely tear at the No Supporter's throats because honestly? Some of the community on LD has kind of a mob mentality. Again, not all, but enough that its kind of something that stands out and deters people from disagreeing for fear of being pretty much flamed, harassed, etc. by others solely because they disagree.

Like I mentioned, I have disagreed with people several times on LD and been ganged up on for having a differing opinion on a subject regardless of how logical or even right I was in my disagreement. Because fact was the mob thought a different way than I did and due to such, those who disagree are made into essentially criminals for that. I'm not the only one either though, I've messaged, and/or talked to elsewhere, well over 25+ people who have also been blasted hard for disagreeing in any capacity on LD for basically anything.

But the tl;dr in the end is that people don't waste time explaining their No Supports anymore because a lot of people on LD have a mob mentality and absolutely blast those who disagree no matter how good their counter-arguments are, even if said counter-arguments are backed by things like science, evidence, etc.

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About cubs.. that was one of the ideas I ended up changing around quite a bit and decided just to throw all I had out there. Was hoping you guys could help me out with that!

Thank you! I most definitely agree with you! I love how mutations affect a game, although, I feel like some of the current mutations are very black and white with no gray:

- lethals thatll die young (frozen for trophies- ultimately serving looks)
- pies/patches (all while the gorgeous, serving looks)
- mane mutations (serving looks)
- blind/deaf/clawless- no hunting (give or take on patroling/being kinged but with not being able to pass a mutation and the combo with all the beautiful primal variant, they dont get a place as kings)
- primals (!!)- while a FERUS primal KING can activate the primal spirit (only when battling primate-like enemies)

I just wish there was a mutation that could have more of an in-game significance than looks and one is expressing itself the right way towards living as a lion.

I have to say, thats one of the reasons why I almost did post my suggestion. Lioden can be a war zone unfortunately when sharing an idea/opinion. People tend to think an opinion they dont agree with makes that person an enemy without gaining another perspective of their expression.

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I have to say, thats one of the reasons why I almost did post my suggestion. Lioden can be a war zone unfortunately when sharing an idea/opinion. People tend to think an opinion they dont agree with makes that person an enemy without gaining another perspective of their expression.

Absolutely agree, nor does it help when people just adamantly make public callouts either like "So I see the No Supports aren't saying anything lol" or essentially ragging on the No Supports who may have something notable worth saying, but don't want to end up getting mobbed up on. I highly doubt people being all passive aggressive toward the lack of posts from the No Supports helps anything at all tbh. Its just as bad as actually attacking them when they do post, after all. At least that is how I see it.

After all its much easier to just not be passive aggressive (or come across as such even if intention isn't to) by simply saying something like say "I'd love to know what you think if you choose No Support and if you maybe have some ideas of possible improvements or changes that would seem more reasonable to you."

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well researched, sounds great! couple of things though- i don't like the cub idea, i think she should just be infertile BUT be able to be bred with chasteberries or black stallions like other infertile lions. would they be able to patrol and hunt at the same time? and would the mutation be visible from birth?

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I don't really know how to feel about this 'mutation'... Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like it's pretty offensive to call a more masculine lioness a mutated lion? Just because you're more on the masculine side while you're female shouldn't really make you have a mutation imo, it would be a cool idea as possibly a personality trait (tomboy, manly, etc..) but I think it's a bit excessive to call it a mutation ^^;;
I'm more confused on this rather than being opposed to it

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@Takoyaki

Keep in mind the game is about lions, not humans. Lions lack any sense of gender identities and technically maned lionesses are a type of genetic mutation in nature much like melanism is to a leopard/jaguar. Solely because a certain mutation that occurs in an animal can effect certain sex-specific behaviors in non-humans species who, again, lack any form of gender identity construct it doesn't make it offensive to call something what it is. A maned lioness quite literally is a form of mutation that has certain strange and atypical biological effects on lionesses born with it.

In this instance the changes in behavior seen in a maned lioness would be scientifically classified as a Behavior Mutation (a mutation which causes some form of genetic change which alters the behavior seen in a species that deviates from the typical or more average) just the same as having a mane in the first place is very much also a form of mutation to a lioness which naturally lacks a mane, the sudden mane on a lioness stemming from an abnormality in the animal's genetic coding. Aka a mutation.

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It's a mutation because they have naturally way more testosterone than a regular lioness. They don't say bruh instead of hi, they're genetically (from what i understand) different than a regular lioness ^^

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Ohh gotcha! My brain can't process a ton of information rn so I was scratching my head trying to understand the whole thing LOL
But it does sound like a pretty interesting mutation, I'd definitely have to get one if they're ever added into the game ^^!

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Some of the fertility-related ideas are just thrown out there to help rack some better concepts pertaining to cubs and such. I am highly skeptical on her fertility in general, and if cubs are even possible? Patrol, hunt, broodmother roles would be assigned like a normal lioness is now, on her own page when editing her name/den/etc. It would not be visible from birth (would classify as AMP?) but more along the lines of adolescent and what I am assuming. As an adolescent, you would receive flavor texts that shes becoming more aggressive. When shes of age as an adult, she will show a mane and possibly a larger chest. These are just some of my personal opinions but the end result would be up to Lioden.

Mutation isnt really my own words? Its been described as a genetic mutation in most of the articles (which ill link today) due to the abnormality of cells and male hormones not typically found in a lioness. And I dont mean to be describing a 'tomboy' lionesses as that would describe more of her personality or a very feminine king, while this is genetic.

EDIT, i was slow to the bell but yes, more along the lines of a behavioral mutation is better wording! :)

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@seglid
Yeah, I had to read over the thread a few times before I registered that lol! I was thinking along the lines of the lioness just being more on the masculine side but I figured it out,,! It'd be pretty cool for them to have their own pose, but that's a TON of coding for mods ;;

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