Posted by Remove Involuntary Flirting Event Dialogue

coolio πŸ„β”ƒmaziwa (#149374)


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2024-05-11 22:28:43

Remove Involuntary Flirting Encounters and Dialogue
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Before I begin, I would like to clarify that I am going to tolerate a grand total of zero antics on this thread. Some of the topics I am going to discuss have a history of sparking arguments and controversy. But here? None of that. No hogwash. No buffooneries. No horseplay. You insult someone on this thread? To the dungeons! You try to derail the thread? Straight to the chambers!

We're good? Ok. We're good.

What I am here to propose is that all involuntary flirting encounters and dialogue are removed from events. I am defining involuntary as any encounter in which I do not have the option to avoid flirting (apart from perhaps skipping the encounter entirely - which I am not going to entertain as a solution because a girl still needs her event currency). After discussing this with several other players, it has become clear that there are wildly different comfort levels when it comes to our kings being forced to flirt with NPCs. My particular concern lies with the fact that many lioden players do not have male kings. In recent years especially, it has been increasingly common for players to use lab frogs and decor to create female "queens". In particularly, me and many other players have lesbian queens. However, all dialogue is written with the assumption that we are playing as male kings. Therefore, there is a sizable amount of dialogue written where male NPCs flirt with our kings with the intent of being seen as a joke (yes, Nirah - and I am going to talk more about him later). While the intent may be for these encounters to be light hearted, they have the unintended impact of subjecting our poor lesbians to unwanted male advances. This same logic applies for AroAce players/ AroAce kings, where players find all unwanted flirting uncomfortable.

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Voluntary vs Involuntary Explore Encounters
To illustrate my point, I am going to show you an example of what I believe to be a very well done voluntary encounters, and what I believe to be an involuntary encounter. Hopefully this will allow you to see the difference.


This encounter is a fantastic example of voluntary flirting. I have the option to flirt with her, but I also have the option to take an entirely un-romantic route. Fun!


This encounter is not so fun. Regardless of the option I choose, my king is either forced to wrestle with Nirah or get "wrapped in a cocoon". Once again, my side queen is a lesbian. She would rather die than allow either of these options to happen.

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Event Storyline Flirting
For this next little section, I'm going to be walking us through how certain storyline dialogue could be altered to preserve the integrity of the characters while also making events a more comfortable experience for everyone.

V'Kai
NO V'KAI AGE DEBATES OR I BLOW YOU UP WITH MY MIND LASER

In order to select a male groupie boost, you need to endure some flirtatious dialogue about how V'Kai is joking about you being into guys. You also have the option to directly flirt with V'Kai as well, and while this is technically voluntary, I think it could be better written. He also calls us a "horny shit". AroAce players found dead in a ditch. Down below I have the original dialogue next to my edited version.


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There is also this message given when completing the claim 5 lionesses quest.


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Nirah
Ok. Yeah. The big guy. His dialogue is riddled with innuendos and incessant flirting. And you really can't stop him! Because Nirah hosts crunchies, the vast majority of players are going to leave at least one king with him. I end up sending my lesbian queen to hell because I know she'd rather put up with that than Nirah. And I know what you're saying, Nirah being flirty is like his whole personality. Wrong! I reviewed all his dialogue and he's not just a down bad guy. He's a lazy dude-bro who schmoozes to get out of hard labor. He's pushy and socially inappropriate, but that doesn't inherently mean he need to be a weirdo. He can be a kiss-ass without having to talk about having sex with my king. More rewrites below


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(there were two here that were so bad I didn't even know how to rewrite them)

this may not be all the weird dialogue in the game, but it is what is most significant. i'm not re-reading every single line of event dialogue ok (not for free at least)"

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once again please keep everything civil - but feel free to share thoughts down below!




This suggestion has 45 supports and 40 NO supports.



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Posted on
2024-05-11 22:31:17
me when coolio drops another banger of a suggestion



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vagabond (#120333)

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2024-05-11 22:38:36
support! i hope to see both this and the ability to change pronouns for my king/queen for explore encounters implemented in the recode



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Coffeekita [G2 Lilac
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Posted on
2024-05-11 22:43:47
Thank you coolio for speaking on behalf of all the lesbian killer queens that must be sent to the pits of hell because their player KNOWS thats more lore accurate than flirting with Nirah.



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➡ sprout (#185560)


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2024-05-11 22:47:11
"AroAce players found dead in a ditch." IT'S ME!! HI!!! DEMIACE FOUND DEAD IN DITCH AT 24 YEARS OF AGE!!

"Did it hurt when you fell? Not from heaven, my dude, that rock. You really bit it back there." If all else fails I NEED this rewrite it's so funny.

Anywho, major support. I understand this is an adult-centered site and therefore there will be 18+ topics here and there (which, believe it or not, I do appreciate in some aspects!), but as someone who often gets uncomfortable around NSFW topics for a variety of reasons, I think the game can stand to lessen the amount of innuendos. At the very least, let us choose our king's pronouns or something for lore-accurate dialog.

I'm also very glad you chose that tigon explore example from February because it is one of the very few February encounters that doesn't make my skin itch.



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Edited on 11/05/24 @ 22:47:52 by ➡ sprout (#185560)

🀎 leon | semi
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2024-05-11 22:51:24
I'm a bit torn. On one hand, I don't particularly see it as a huge deal. I'm asexual and on the aro spectrum, so is my leader, and my other king is a married asexual queer man. I just kinda ignore it or write it being weird into lore.

But it's very understandable for other people to feel strange about it. I still kinda arch my brows at Wenet calling me big boy.

I do know some people like the flirtatious undertones and text though when it comes to Wenet and Nirah at least. I wouldn't mind either way, but I wonder if there could be some compromise. A way to make it more consensual, for lack of a better word.

ETA: As in, a potential choice between the flirty and the platonic, but I don't know how feasible that is.



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Edited on 11/05/24 @ 22:54:22 by 🀎 leon | semi hiatus (#208511)

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HUNTING PLZ (#256269)

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Posted on
2024-05-11 23:58:13
I don't really mind the flirting from the npcs themselves compared to being forced between your king either being a dick or having to flirting with no neutral option lol

But literally no complaints about your rewrites, honestly your writing just feels more mature/fitting for the times lol. Especially like the Vkai rewrites!



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juelz (main) (#239315)

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Posted on
2024-05-12 09:43:13
the flirts are cute.



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Edited on 12/05/24 @ 09:44:44 by juelz (main) (#239315)

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2024-05-12 09:44:52
Support! I’m aroace and personally hate the flirty encounters with NPCs, I love this suggestion!



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Edited on 12/05/24 @ 09:45:13 by 🧊 Air Conditioning™ πŸ’œπŸ’œ (#454315)

axel <3 (#284845)

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Posted on
2024-05-12 09:48:28
i support this, maybe even a toggle for the flirtatious dialogue! i think that’d leave a happy medium <3



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β˜ΌπŸ’œSolπŸ’šβ˜Ό
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Posted on
2024-05-12 09:56:46
100% agree on this! I'm a aroace player and my king is just aroace, I find some of the dialog to be uncomfortable. I love the NPC talk of events and I'd hate if I couldn't rnjoy the event because I had to skip over everything I didn't like. A toggle like in Feb would be perfect so others can enjoy the dialog and I can still play without have to skip over everything



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Edited on 12/05/24 @ 09:59:15 by β˜ΌπŸ’œSolπŸ’œβ˜Ό [Home Depot] (#386661)

πŸ—‘οΈ LunarKnight
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Posted on
2024-05-13 23:37:23
I'm on the fence about this. With this being a animal sim game it makes sense that the pride leader be king and stuff. While it'll make folks feel uncomfortable, it's a vital part of the whole being a simulator thing that Lioden is.

I honestly see this as a case of you can't make everyone happy. As frustrating as it can be, it just happens sometimes.



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