Posted by Lioden Genetics Guide (revised 5/11/15)

Alma (#7695)

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2015-05-08 05:27:22
Lioden's new inheritance model is here, and because it's based on another model I proposed (the one you may have seen and voted on in a News post), I thought I'd create a game guide for it to help explain how it works. This new model focuses on four basic factors inherited from one or both parents:
* Color Group: Black, Red, Cream, or Golden
* Gradient: Countershaded vs Solid color
* Shade/Range: Dark or Light
* Rarity: Common or Special

Unlike actual genetics, the only thing that matters is the visible color of each parent. Pedigree/heritage has no bearing on inheritance, and there are no recessive traits or "carriers": what you see is what you're working with. Here's what's at work in this model:


The first factor is Color Group. In this model, a cub will inherit a Color Group from one of its parents. These are the 4 color groups in this model:

photo BlackCSampSColorChartComplete.jpg

Cream Color Group Chart photo CreamColorChartComplete.jpg

Red Color Chart w/ Fiery photo RedColorChartComplete_2.jpg

Gold Color Chart w/Fulvous photo GoldColorChartComplete_3.jpg

If I cross two parents from the Black Color Group, then ALL offspring will come from the Black Color Group. If I cross a parent from the Black Color Group and the Red Color Group, I could get offspring from either the Black or Red Color Groups. If you're looking to produce offspring of a specific color, it is wise to breed parents from the same Color Group if not the same color; if you're looking for surprises and a wide variety of colors, breed two parents from completely different Color Groups.


The next factor in this model is Countershaded vs. Solid Colors, and a cub's appearance will be inherited just like its Color Group (from one parent only unless they're both the same). A Solid color looks exactly as it sounds: the base color is completely or nearly the same throughout the entire coat. A Countershaded color is a base color that has more than one color in its makeup, and while most colors countershade from a dark topline to a lighter underside, others are lighter at the topline and darker on the underside while the most recent is shaded darker along the midline. Here's some examples of what this looks like:

photo CountershadeExamplesFIXED.jpg

If both parents are Countershaded, then all cubs would be Countershaded; if both parents are Solid, then all cubs would be Solid, and if there is one parent of each type, then both Countershaded and Solid cub colors are possible.

If I cross two Countershaded parents, then ALL offspring will be Countershaded, and two Solid parents beget Solid offspring. If I cross a Countershaded parent and a Solid parent, I could get Countershaded or Solid offspring. If you're looking to produce offspring of a specific color, it is wise to breed parents that match the same Shade as your target color if not the same color; if you're looking for surprises and a wide variety of colors, breed a Countershaded parent and a Solid parent, which will increase your variety DRAMATICALLY.


The third factor in this model is Dark or Light Shade/Range. In this model, all colors within a Color Group are arranged into Dark and Light Shade/Ranges. The shade of the offspring is determined just like the other two factors:

Dark Range Color X Dark Range Color = Dark Range Color
Light Range Color X Light Range Color = Light Range Color
Dark Range Color X Light Range Color = Dark OR Light Range Color


I'll quote the original news post in regards to Rarity: "Rarity however is passed differently, and instead of simply being 50/50 between the mom or dad’s there’s only a 15% chance of a special cub per parent breeding. This means: If two specials breed, there is a 30% chance of a special cub. If one special breeds with a common, there is a 15% chance. If two commons breed, there is 0% chance.

Furthermore, there are a few bases that require at least one parent to have the same base when breeding in order to be passed on. Those are: Celestial, Lilac, Sepia, Pearl, Blush Rose, Inferno and Hallowed. Those bases also have a lower drop rate than regular special bases."

Albinos are somewhat different, as explained in Xy's update, "Albino genetics (are) still a random occurrence, but it has a chance of passing now if one parent is Albino, and that chance is higher if both are Albino."


Sounds simple enough, right? Let's give ourselves a chance to get familiar with this system and put all these factors to work! Here are two example breedings:

Example Breeding Similar photo ExampleBreedingSimilar.jpg

Breeding Example Different photo BreedingExampleDifferent_2.jpg

The second example shows how much variety a mismatched cross can give, so if you're looking for surprises, choosing wildly different parents will certainly give you that. On the other hand, if you're looking to breed a cub the same color as one of its parents, it pays to breed the desired parent to an individual of the same color or something from the same Color Group, Gradient, Shade/Range, AND Rarity.

... and that, fellow Lioden-ners (?!) is how Lioden inheritance works! I hope this guide has helped anyone with questions about the system to find the answers you were looking for, but if not, as I promised when I proposed my very first model 15 months ago, I will happily answer questions and help you find the best breeding to meet your goals here. Good luck and happy cub-making!

For the next "installment" of my game guides, here's a how-to about breeding strategies:

Successful Breeding for Specific Colors




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Edited on 11/05/15 by Alma (#7695)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 06:04:50
-Subs- OwO

Thank you!



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Snowcat13-5x
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2015-05-08 07:17:32
Oh thank god. I'm so glad you posted this.
I do have a question on the counter shading. How do we know what we have? I can't tell through all the markings just by looking at a lion, so is it going to be listed next to color on the lion's page?



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Kamme [HM/Side] (#57143)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 07:26:21
This is great! Bookmarking :3 Thanks for posting.



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Msasi (#21461)

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2015-05-08 07:33:08
@Snowcat - A lion's base is listed on its page, yes. :) Go to their page, scroll down to where it lists their markings. To the left of the markings it lists base color, eye color, mane color, mane type, etc. So you just look at the base color to see what it says, then you can look up where it is on Alma's charts to see what color group it is in, and if it is dark/light and solid/countershade and common/special. c:

Edit: Oh. If you meant if they are going to to list the group/shading/etc on the page, I don't know. :o That's a good question, and would be neat if it's something they would add!



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Edited on 08/05/15 by Msasi (Fight Me!) (#21461)

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2015-05-08 07:40:46
Yes, I did mean the shading part being listed next to base on their page. Although after I posted I see it does show by the charts above which it falls under. LOL. It's been a long day at work and I'm having difficulty with comprehension apparently.



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2015-05-08 07:44:52
I used to get a lot of maroons with my maltese/lilac crosses. Looks like that's not going to happen now. If I'm reading this correctly my silver king on side account would give better chance with my lilacs than maltese now since they are both in black group/light/solid. Obviously lilac x lilac best, but this is interesting stuff. LOL.



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Katavi [Mhenga
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Posted on
2015-05-08 07:47:20
Ohhh, loving this. Thank you, Alma!

*bookmarks*



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Bracken II (#3313)

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2015-05-08 07:49:46
Awesome :) I was looking forward to a slightly more realistic genetics system. Its going to suck only having a 30% to get a slate when you breed a slatexslate though.



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Msasi (#21461)

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2015-05-08 07:54:42
@Snowcat - It's actually a good idea though, having it on their page. I'll whip up a couple pictures and post a suggestion thread for it. c:

Edit: And so I did!



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Edited on 08/05/15 by Msasi (Fight Me!) (#21461)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 07:58:56
You're a life saver.



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🐺 inky (#32221)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 08:01:47
OuO This will be insanely helpful. <3



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Minimanta (#1684)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 08:04:25
Sounds simple enough! =3

But I need this clarified, if at least one of the parents is albino there's a 0% chance we'll get an albino cub? There's not even the 5% random chance like in other breedings?



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Edited on 08/05/15 by Minimanta (#1684)

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Posted on
2015-05-08 13:04:49
Beautiful guide, Alma. I was so excited for this and on my first breeding today I had to use a birth feather and I got that Albino cubbin :D i was so excited. Great Work!!!



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Alma (#7695)

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2015-05-08 14:20:48
I'm really glad this is helpful (I was up until 4 AM storing this away in my Journal so I could roll it out right after the release).

I highly suggest supporting Msasi's suggestion like I did because it's going to make things even easier!

... and congrats on that Albino cub, Coldwater!

Thanks, everyone, for your continued support! {:o)



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Meso (#49519)

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2015-05-08 17:22:49
confused: how is Hallowed a solid colour!? shouldn't it be classed countershaded?



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