This is cool, but I think it would probably be a better idea if it was some sort of medicine or herb that induced the effects instead of an operation, mainly because of the points Vairindiel made. Still supporting though, it's a really interesting idea!

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The issue I see is that cubs are generated at conception, ya'know? like.. it'd have to be a fruit/soup that they eat/drink before they get pregnant inorder to work

I also think that the ... consequinces? aren't bad enough. like , oh, so what I loose the whole litter, no big deal. So either it needs to cost more or it needs to have effects on the lioness

maybe:
-she cannot breed again (or for 5 years) afterwards
-she dies?
-she can't hunt again for 2 years
-She WILL run if all of the litter dies (with no option to reclaim)

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Oooh fused toes.... I love it as I have twin toes myself (: haha I'm a mutie... However I'm not sure how feasible this process would be considering said species of organisms involved.

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I'm not supporting, here's why:

I love the new mutation suggestions, but I think having a chance at them for SB is too much. Sure, the chances are low but, but if it's only SB people could do it every time.

I agree it should be an event thing that happens or something, cost GB, but certainly not as accessible as SB. Especially since the "prizes" are so grand.

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I was kind of skeptical at first, but this idea is pretty creative! I do have a few pointers though.

The idea of a caesarian birth affecting cubs' health is very thoughtful, but I'd be reluctant to classify its effects as mutations. Mutations are caused by anomalies in an organism's genetic code – and past a few early points like meiosis and maybe the early stages of DNA replication, genetic code is unchangeable. Unless we're talking about cutting-edge gene-editing technology or lots and lots of radiation, there's no way an environmental factor such as a premature/traumatic birth would affect a cub's DNA.

Having said that, there are ways you could work around that! Perhaps cubs born via caesarean could roll for "mutations" that can be caused by environmental factors (e.g. blindness and deafness).

If you're going to do that, though, I think you need to add more disadvantages to this whole process. I agree that a caesarean out in the wild would be unrealistic, but Lioden isn't 100% factual either! Real lions can't have technicolour coats, extreme piebaldism, bat ultrasounds or complex money systems, but here we are. I'd be happy for a monkey surgeons to give my lioness a caesarean, provided the disadvantages are amped up a bunch. For example:
• Cubs born via caesarean have a 75% chance of dying (or something relatively high like that)
• Your lioness is unable to hunt again, or for an extended period of time
• Your lady's fertility decreases permanently
• With every subsequent litter, your lioness has a small chance of dying while giving birth

But don't be discouraged by that! Because we've increased the risks, you can also amp up the rewards a notch.
• Your lioness' next litter has an increased chance of mutations
• Cubs born via caesarean stand a chance of having mutations that could be caused by environmental factors (as I previously mentioned)
• It could be an achievement for players to unlock
• Could appear in Monkey Business, meaning any user with enough currency can unlock it!
• Alternatively, it could come as an item, meaning people could sell it for a pretty significant profit

However, in the long run, we already have items that perform the same function as the caesarean you've suggested. Instant Birth Feathers allow your lioness to give birth straight away, Cotton Root Bark induces a miscarriage with a higher chance of subsequent mutations and there's even mutie-on-demands for various things. This idea is creative, but I'm not sure it's necessary to the gameplay.

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While I like the idea of new mutations and a different way to introduce them.. I think an item causing earlier birth (much like Cotton Root Bark!) may be a better option than a C-section. vairindiel summed it up nicely I think. The risks for such a procedure would almost guarantee the death of the lioness, much more so her cubs. I'll have to say no to this one.

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I love this idea! It's so original and I love the new mutations!!! I definitely support this idea

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I'm sorry but the idea of a monkey performing a complex surgery with no equipment and having there be a chance of the lioness living outside of a one in a million fluke is just not something I could suspend disbelief on. I could however see a version where the player does it with the understanding the mother will die (I mean, come on, she's being ripped open by monkeys and having her internal organs exposed) but the cub is guaranteed a mutation, and it costs a significant amount to do. That makes more sense to me. However, it is probably too grim to give the option of unnecessarily killing a lion for her unborn cubs.
Edit: oops, didn't realise how old this was! i was only a page in so i assumed it was recent without actually looking at the date.

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Why can't you just use CRB and a zebra heart? C-sections on Lioden is wayyy too unrealistic and the risks are just not worth it.

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Wow, didn't even know I posted this back in the day. I must go through my old posts... this is what a three year break will do, I suppose.

That being said, I like the earlier comment that she could be sent to the humans to do a c-section early on the lioness. I've revised the initial post to that.

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No support. Given the fact that cub fatality is sooo high despite this c-section being performed in a safe, sterile environment by, what I assume to be, professionals. I don't see why the chance of cubs dying is sooooo high? This makes it pretty much not worth it, despite the mutations. Maybe if the cub fatality was lowered WAAAYYY down and the mutation chance was lowered and cost raised would I consider this. Also, even at 5% I don't know who would risk their prized lioness being potentially killed that they spent so much time and gb/sb to get. So until these are revised, no support from me, sorry.

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Cub fatality would have to be high as preemie animals rarely survive. It’s not like with humans where preemie babies get incubators etc. Hence the death rate.

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I mean I would favor a potentially great cub aesthetically than have it almost certainly die because I wanted to try out my 2% chances. And the 5% chance that your lioness dies? I couldn't risk it because of a little 2% "what-if". What happens if both the cub and lioness die? Even if the cub survives the C-section, it would probably still die anyway if it's a lethal or at least be extremely useless. Ouch, just not worth it.

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I adore this idea! Yay for more varied muties, def supporr

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