Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Fix How Markings Roll

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-08-20 20:22:04



Hello, recently I was partaking in a breeding project that served not only to further a king project of mine, but also to prove a point to myself. After I had already spent countless amount of currency and time in this project, I found most of my effort was for not. Although it seems to not be common public knowledge, males roll their markings before females, and I think this needs to change. Below I'm going to give some reasons and possible solutions. In the comments I will gladly give answers the best I can to any questions, and I would appreciate if you included below why you do or do not support, especially for the latter.

1. Our markets tank too fast. Male's rolling first means that there is a greater chance of his markings passing, so he has a higher chance to pass markings to the infinite females that he can breed. As I'll explain below, the current system drives our markets for markings down greatly and ruins any rarity they might have had.

2. Males breed so much more than females. A female can breed once about every 20 days. 23 if you don't use an IBF because of the pregnancy time period. A male can breed until his energy runs out, and then again once it refills. This means that in a single day a stud can breed his genetics into 20+ females of good fertility.

3. No one wants clones of their studs to exist, or at least, most people don't. You work hard for your stud to exist. What is the point of breeding so hard for him if he can just pass all his markings to any female with little to no issue (I know there are marking pass rates or something, but most markings pass quicker than an STD). Most people, like displayed [here], just kill said clones. It's discouraging for other people to profit off your hard work.

To me, honestly, it doesn't make sense that markings rolled like this to begin with.

My suggestion is to change it so:

A. (Suggestion from Locust) For them to make it 50/50 chance for mother & father (mention [Here]).

B. Females roll their markings first.

Either would put more worth back into our females, put more worth into selective breeding [IE: This female to this stud instead of 50 NCLs to a king, which floods the market and tanks it], and put more worth back into the marking market.


So far the most popular fix is "make it 50/50".



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This suggestion has 330 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/12/17 @ 18:53:48 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

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Posted on
2017-08-20 20:26:21
I think this would make breeding a lot more fun. Right now, everything depends on the king. I myself have done the thing where you mass breed to NCLs and although it's effective, it requires absolutely no strategy or thought process. It also means that I get a bunch of cubs that look exactly the same. It's boring, but for some projects it's a necessity. I'd like for it to not be, and for us to get the chance to put more thought into our breedings, to make them actually count.

Full support <3



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ash [it/its] (#91707)

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2017-08-20 20:26:46
Full support



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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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Posted on
2017-08-20 20:28:31
supported with both my accounts bc I am strongly in favor, almost as strongly I am flavored



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-08-21 09:13:03
I'd like to point out that, if female rolled their markings first, then the breed only markings introduced by the weekly raffle would spread that much faster. It's true that this already happens when one kings a male with those same markings, but still... it'd be like avoiding a problem by introducing another one, even if it's smaller due to the heat cycles of females.

I'd be more comfortable if it were more of a fifty fifity chance, to be honest.



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Ariento (#1923)

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2017-08-21 09:26:29
"I'd be more comfortable if it were more of a fifty fifity chance, to be honest."

I agree. Say, have the roll go:
Roll for mother or father marking (50:50 chance)
If parent has no marking in slot, cub does not get a marking in said slot. If parent has marking, roll for pass chance (depends on the marking)
Repeat for all 20 slots



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2017-08-21 10:32:34
Support. I've noticed that a lot of my cubs look the same, highly similar to my king, so getting more variation would be great. It would also encourage more lioness trading in the lion market, which is sorely needed.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-08-21 12:02:47

There is already a suggestion posted up above for it to be 50/50, originally suggested to me by Locust, I'll bold it though.




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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-08-21 12:20:55
Oh, I saw it, I just wanted to share that I'd prefer it. Sorry for the confusion



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YakyuuPiffle (#101248)

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2017-09-02 13:17:41
Full support!!

I customized my king with strong visible markings (Feline 6, nimravus, Cheetah) but all of his cubs just look too much like him and after some litters, I'm tired of them.
And at the same time, cubs never look like the mother, so having a pretty lioness is useless.

The 50/50 pass chance seems the perfect solution to have cubs with the right mix of parent's markings.

And maybe, for those who still want to favour the 'father roll first' (for example for a breeding project), there could be a specific breeding item (single use for a single breeding).



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Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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2017-09-12 03:40:58
came back to add support to the idea of 50/50 rolling, maybe it alternates randomly, and a father roll first/mother roll first breeding item similar to the gnawrocks, but just gives the rolling chance for all of the markings of the chosen parent



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🐝 Detective (#19805)

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2017-09-12 15:11:48
I rather like the idea of 50/50 chance. I acknowledge the points you made and I definitely understand your side. In fact I agree quite a bit. I get a lot of clones of my own king when breeding my females, and I sometimes wish the female's marks had a better chance at passing.

But, when I stud out my females to other people's studs, the purpose is of course to get the stud's marks. When I pay a large fee to stud to someone else's main male, I don't do so to get my female's marks.

So the 50/50 option sounds awesome. Or even for it to be something more complex: when breeding to your own king, female rolls first. When studding out, male rolls first. Just throwing that out there, even though it is a bit odd and perhaps over-complicated.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-12 15:28:15

That does sound like it might be kinda complicated, but I like that idea. My only issue it that it takes us back to my original problem. You can't ask a king to remove his markings, so it's hard to merge a female's with his. (For example. I want a cub with henna zebra & copal zebra. Daddy has henna, mom has copal. But the daddy has white lace in the mom's zebra slot. His marking will likely take that mom's marking place :/

I'm more for either females rolling first or 50/50 all around.




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Edited on 12/09/17 @ 15:36:11 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

🐝 Detective (#19805)

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2017-09-12 17:42:05
Yeah I see females always rolling first to really impact studding and that isn't something I'd like to see :( But 50/50 sounds very intriguing!



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-12 20:41:58

Yeah, I'm pretty well 100% for 50/50 chance. It would make it more round and fair on both sides.~




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GamingGal's Side (#18817)

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2017-09-15 10:00:23
I definitely see the advantage of the 50/50 argument over what we have right now. I don't think the females rolling first would be a good solution because it would just be flipping our problem on it's head so to speak. The 50/50 would allow for a more randomized cub to come out of every breeding instead of these little clones we have running around. And a more randomized breeding would give more need to breeding and selling cubs.



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