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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-05 13:26:40
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Edits:
1. I said gnawrocks passed at 100% at one point in parenthesis. My bad. It is at the parent opacity. My point still holds because none of the girls have the same opacities as the father for every marking.
2. Since this is now an image I'll have to re-give the links, which I shall do here:
Links are in order of appearance in the photo.

[My king]
[Lioness]
[Fail Cub]
[Other Lioness]

[Katze's Post]
^ This link will no longer take you anyplace. For some reason the thread was deleted. I'll say nothing of my thoughts on the matter. But that means there is now no public clarification on the topic (that I know of) other than this thread).

[Triple Celestial King]
[Daughter One]
[Daughter Two]
[Daughter Three]

I have edited in accordance to the the reasons the old was lost. Nothing from the old that was given as a reason has been included in here.




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Edited on 11/10/17 @ 10:33:39 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

VampireKetsuki
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2017-09-10 16:22:08
I read the entirety of the thread yes. Perhaps it was to keep troll-lions from existing (like the person who made a king with 10 of the same marking).
To me there's no reason to have the exact same marking twice on a lion, and I know when it happens to mine I get annoyed. I'm personally glad they got rid of that option since now I don't have to double check both lions for matching markings before I breed.



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Hex (#41384)


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2017-09-10 16:29:05
How dare people actually breed for what they want to breed for!!
If you don't want to breed lions with two of the same markings, don't do it? It's literally not a hard concept. There was zero reason for the staff to implement this other than wanting us to spend more GB on Ochre Gnawrocks. And, even, if there were a valid reason, the very least they could do would be to tell us that they changed their system.



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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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2017-09-10 16:31:59
I don't think it's the staff's job to police how people customize their kings.

To me there *is* a reason to have the exact same marking twice on a lion. I was trying to breed a lion with sidereal points in slot 4 and 5, one of which was a rare slot. That was my project, and it shouldn't matter to you what other people's projects are. I think clean line breeding is dumb, but I'm not gonna abolish heritage all together to prevent them from enjoying the game the way they want to.

Anyway, this suggestion is less about the actual breeding system and more about the communication issues. If the staff changed something that you cared about and didn't tell anyone, and you spent money on it, you would be angry too. It's just in this particular case, you weren't affected by the change.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-10 16:32:17

@Vampire

"Troll Lions". So. If someone wants all the same markings you count that as a troll lion? Tsk tsk. It's their personal choice. Personally I wanted a female with all white cobweb. So that 1. she could pass it in any slot & 2. I could say "Hey. I worked hard enough to get her like this" (Piety Grinding). Also, no matter the reasoning, it doesn't justify not telling the community (which by the way, if you look at Katze's replies on the thread I linked, she says she didn't even know about it until a few weeks before that users thread. So it was probably a fuck-up/side-affect of the new system that gave us 20, and they just didn't bother to fix it or let us know)

Also, if you don't like it, don't breed to kings like that? Users work, or used to work, hard to get kings like that. There's no telling how long it took to get celestial speckles on that king three times since you only get one marking per lioness to start with in July.

Again, I'll restate:

"I'm suggesting this be reversed because it doesn't hurt anyone to be able to do it, but it hurts people to not be able to."

It's like stats tbfh. If you don't like stats, don't breed to a stat king. You don't like doubles, don't breed to a double king.


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2017-09-10 16:33:34
If someone wants to make a "troll lion", and stud them out, who are we to stop them. I have seen "troll lions" sell out every week.

I love the way layered markings look. And clearly I am not the only one, as at least three people on this thread have had their projects ruined by the change.

This game is supposed to let you do your own thing, breed how you like, have your pride your way, but now, you cant. Just because the change worked in your favor does not mean that everyone is happy with it. People had their own goals and may have spent quite a bit of money on something that they had to find out on their own had been taken away, no news post or announcement, all their work is now for nothing, and had they not been looking around they would have never known, and continued to waste their currency on something that could never be.



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☄️ - Crux {Side}
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2017-09-10 16:40:03
Agreed with the above points.

There's no legitimate reason to police "troll lions" as you call them, either. People can do what they want with their lions and there should be no restrictions.

I feel like the only actual reason for this implementation was for people to have to spend money on GB so they can buy more Ochre Gnawrocks from other players, but that's just me.



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✩NeptuneNebula✩ (#64036)

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2017-09-10 16:40:16
I hate how the lioden admins don't say a single thing about this until it is noticed by a player who has used and then wasted their Money on this project. I personally LOVE double markings, I think it makes them stand out more, and if this choice is no longer avaliable, it just feels like lioden is going to soon turn into one of those sites that no one can trust. I feel bad for the new players who don't understand what is going on, meanwhile, for the players who actually understand this game, we have to deal with this shit that's getting laid upon us without notice. I was actually thinking of doing a project for a double onyx zebra, well, I guess that isn't happening until something is done about it.



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VampireKetsuki
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2017-09-10 17:17:29
"...this change they made had no reason to it. There was no one (that I know of) out there saying 'you know what I hate? breeding double markings and colors."..."
I said there was a reason. I'm not 'no one', even if I'm only one person. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the way I do either. It's not just not breeding to a double, it's checking if any of my lioness's markings are the same.

" "Troll Lions". So. If someone wants all the same markings you count that as a troll lion?..."
If it's a marking that can be added with 'marking applicator' then yeah it's trolling.

"I love the way layered markings look."
As do I, different colors of the same marking do look cool together. There's no difference in appearance though between a double marked (opacity 40% and 60%) and a single 100% opacity.

Besides, you can add almost all markings in (November?) relatively easily



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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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2017-09-10 17:25:32
There is a difference between a multi marked opacity 100% and a single 100% opacity.

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(that's one cloudburst web vs three cloudburst web)

"If it's a marking that can be added with 'marking applicator' then yeah it's trolling."
We're talking about breed only marks primarily here. Rosettes, celestial marks, sidereal marks, etc. Also? If someone actually likes their lion, they're not trolling. People have different tastes.

Also, you actually can't add "almost all markings" in november, you can add event NCL marks and that's it. So... I don't really get the points you're making.



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Edited on 10/09/17 @ 17:26:23 by cin✨siderealfelis™️ (#106573)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-10 17:28:28

(You're just now quoting what I said 1-2 posts ago)

My point in "There was no one" is that I mean there wasn't a suggestion. The staff did this all on their own.

You cannot add breed only markings in November (its event only markings), and now, even if you wanted to you cannot pass multiples to those cubs. So Multiples are fucking useless now except for in hopes to pass a specific slotted one. Also, your trolling still isn't validated just because you changed markings to 'applicable markings'. If you don't like it, don't breed to them. It's their king, their choice. If they don't make any money off their studs because of it, that's on them.

Also. 1Gb marking remover vs 20Gb Gnawrock. Hmm.

And again,again, these aren't easy to get. You're not guaranteed a double just because you bred two lions with the same marking in different spots. You have to work for that shit (or, you used to have to. Now you can't even work for it).




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Scottie (Lights ON!) (#87211)

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2017-09-10 17:31:08
....I never noticed a change.

If I may ask, what is the point of having two or more of the exact same markings on a lion? Same marking styles with different colors I understand (they make cool new shades), but the exact same?



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2017-09-10 17:31:28
"I said there was a reason. I'm not 'no one', even if I'm only one person. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the way I do either. It's not just not breeding to a double, it's checking if any of my lioness's markings are the same."

A minor inconvenience at best to a small amount of players should not dictate how others choose to design and breed their lions. Some people like more than one of the same marking because they choose to make it look more prominent for their lion's design. Not everything is breeding to some players; they also enjoy designing a specific looking lion for their own reasons. Why should they be penalized because a few players didn't want to muster up the courage to earn one GB for a marking remover to remove a double (which doesn't really happen to many lions unless being specifically breed for the purpose.) If it is THAT much of a problem, suggest a remover to be added to the Monkey Shop for a smaller amount of SB. Like how marking opacity changers are in the Monkey Business. Or, you could just not stud to/buy from lions who have more than one of the same marking if it is that much of a bother?

"If it's a marking that can be added with 'marking applicator' then yeah it's trolling."

Again, sometimes people like to do multiple marks of a lion because they like the design, not because what they're doing fits your definition of "trolling."

"As do I, different colors of the same marking do look cool together. There's no difference in appearance though between a double marked (opacity 40% and 60%) and a single 100% opacity."

There is a large difference between two 100%s, though. It can change a design.





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Edited on 10/09/17 @ 17:52:03 by 🌿 - Crux {Side} - 🌿 (#57259)

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2017-09-10 17:40:18
By restricting markings, it's restricting playstyle and that's bullshit. B u l l s h i t. If I want to breed for a double onyx rosette with mottled and gold rosettes, it's not anyone's right to tell me that, just because they don't like it, I shouldn't be allowed to breed it.

"It's not just not breeding to a double, it's checking if any of my lioness's markings are the same." Oh? So it's too much work for you to simply look at your lioness's markings to make sure your play style stays as you want it? That's not our job to bow to honey. That would be your problem.

Let me tell you, breeding two of the same markings on to one lion was hard even when we were able to do it. Male lion's markings roll before the female's, so if the male has markings that pass easily, your shit out of luck. It's hard to breed this way, but we do it because we like how it looks and we want a challenge. There is no reason to tell us that we can't breed markings we like. You literally don't have to breed for it if you don't want to, no one is grabbing your hand and forcing you to play like us. You can play like you want, but we have a right to play how we want.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-09-10 17:40:35

"....I never noticed a change.

If I may ask, what is the point of having two or more of the exact same markings on a lion? Same marking styles with different colors I understand (they make cool new shades), but the exact same?"

1. You wouldn't notice the change unless you were breeding for it, since those are the people being hit the hardest. The main point is that the staff should have told us. They still haven't told us. Some people don't know until they see my thread.

2. Some slots are more rare than others. Breed only markings will only ever be in the slots the staff release them in unless they are obtain through a very rare chance on a RMA (I think) or on a groupie during May.
When speaking for just Margays, since that is what I am after, there are only 2 slots that onyx, ginger, and lilac come in.

5/8 for onyx, 2/9 for ginger, 2/10 for lilac. Creams come in slot 7 & DB comes in slot 1. (If there is another cream idk about it, and I don't care because personally I don't like cream).

You obviously have to give up either one ginger or one lilac bc they share a slot, but besides those you can get up to 7 lilacs on a lion this way. A Heptamargay sounds more valuable than a pentamargay, yeah?
That's the point. Even if it's a double of a marking, as long as they are Breed only such as margay, that means that anyone who want's either of those slots can breed to you. Also. Breed only marks such as margay do not naturally come on staff lions in more than one (this means staff only release lions with single margays) so to be able to gather all these margays on a single lion is an achievement of sorts. [I can't speak for those breeding panthers. But it might be for the same reasons].

[Point 2 only counts for me, since I'm the only one hurt by the margay situation. But the rarity factor still matters, weather it be margay, rosettes, or other breed only markings.]




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Edited on 10/09/17 @ 17:42:07 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

Hex (#41384)


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2017-09-10 17:45:54
Also, there are applicators which apply markings completely by chance. So, if you use Fiery Unders, you could get a whole heck of a lot of Fiery Undershine. However, now that your lion has gotten these markings completely by chance, you can't breed more than one of them onto a cub. So, you're going to get pretty low-marked, ugly, cheap cubs simply because the site's RNG decided "nope, fuck you".



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