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 Heda Vampiric (#56702) 
Prophet View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-09-05 13:26:40 |
I have edited in accordance to the the reasons the old was lost. Nothing from the old that was given as a reason has been included in here. |
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Kiri #BLM (#29513)
Aztec Knight View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 13:56:47 |
Although this doesn't personally affect me I support. Players should be able to do whatever they want with their lions as long as its not offensive or against the TOS. Because when you really think about it, it affects all of us. The admins are changing things and giving us ZERO notice. And that's a serious problem.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Noxis (#93407)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 17:33:14 |
I support completely, I'm so glad I haven't tried to breed lions with 2x Vitiligo 3 yet, I would be fighting a battle that was over several months ago. It really sucks and it's disgusting how Lioden has fallen since 2013 when I first joined, it used to be like a family, now you'd be lucky if they tell you anything. Sorry for all of you who lost all your Projects! Gonna keep bumping this, this needs to be fixed. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)
Badland Strider View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 19:08:10 |
I keep seeing arguments about breeding multiple of the same marking on a lion but that's really not the point of this thread, is it? From what I'm getting out of the main post is that the admins aren't covering what's actually going on. I haven't noticed anything that changed that wasn't on their news posts but then again I haven't been looking. However I did see a thread about a change in Yohimbe Barks a while back that the admins didn't post anything about so I'm pretty well convinced that this is actually a problem. And for what it's worth (please don't start an argument off of this argh) I personally think that multiple of the same mark on a lion is a bit too strong but I can see how some people would really like to stack them up on a lion. I do like multiple of the same type of mark in different colors, though, and I'd have no qualms breeding a lioness with three of Feline 3 Onyx to a king with five of Feline 3 Onyx. (Also I'm kind of confused as to why @Heda RedBox jumped at @JackNOTDaniels for saying they didn't support. They aren't really 'not even making points;' rather, they're just voicing an opinion. At least they're saying something about it, despite not going into detail. And to be completely honest, this thread has covered wanting to be able to breed multiple of the same mark onto a lion so I'd understand why any no-supporters voted no; they think it's about the number of the same marking on a lion and not things that aren't being covered by news posts) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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VampireKetsuki (SIDE) (#20136) Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 20:22:32 |
It bugs me that people are saying "It only costs 1gb to remove". You know how hard it is to get even one gb if you're not on all the time? You gonna give me the gb to remove it? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Mashy (#67925)
Holy View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 20:39:03 |
Oh my goodness, total support. This is insanely stupid-I really wanted to make a king with 2 Sepia Vits-but I guess that's useless now that he won't be able to create 2x Sepia vit cubs. I also wanted to breed 2x Vit 5 cubs, but I guess that isn't possible either. Thank you for making this thread before I wasted my SB/GB. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-12 20:48:56 |
@VampireKetsuki First of all, if we're comparing cost for the old system versus the new system then the cost to users in the new system is much greater than the cost in the old. We're comparing 1GB to the cost of two ochre gnawrocks, which I've seen go for up to 80gb. Second of all, yeah, it kind of is easy to get one GB. Just casually participating in the event will net you the currency needed to buy several items, which you can then sell later for GB. I mean, jesus fucking christ, if you're on four days a month you can get let's say 50 BB a day - giving you 200 total BB, 150 of which you can use to buy a blazing or infernal applicator which you can sell later in the year for 10+gb. 10 or more GB for four days of work? How is that hard? Thirdly, customization of the cubs you get is earned. You are not entitled to the items needed to change what your cubs are born with. If you choose to spruce your cubs up like you want that is a choice. In no way is a double marking detrimental to the cub in anyway. It likely won't look too different especially if the opacities aren't 100%. Fourth, it takes like maximum one minute to check whether a stud has the same marking as the lioness you're using. Really. It's that easy. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/10/17 @ 20:50:25 by cin✨siderealfelis (#106573) |
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Posted on 2017-10-13 02:09:03 |
Hiya, I didn't see this topic when it was originally posted so my apologies for that, but I just wanted to clear something up here with regards to communication. We absolutely aim to communicate all intentional changes to the game via weekly news posts, and if it's urgent then we release a game notice. I know markings are not specifically what this topic is about, but it's been brought up as the main example, so I'm going to try and explain why there was no communication over this "change": A few weeks ago we recoded markings from the old system to the new system because of efficiency reasons first and foremost (the old code was structurally fine, but extremely long-winded, an individual block of code for each marking on a lion rather than a nice clean loop). Other than that, we literally just went through the old code and transferred it into new code. We didn't change any mechanics, chances, how items work in relation to markings - nothing of the sort. There was a block in the old code which had the specific intention of removing duplicate markings from cubs. Now based on the complaints here, it seems like the old code was bugged and wasn't actually removing duplicate markings as intended. Obviously we can't expect players to know how every tiny detail of a script that's been in the game since day 1 are supposed to work, especially when it's been bugging out since day 1. It seems as though this bug was "fixed" with the new marking update. We went into changing the markings system with the intention of keeping everything exactly the same, so in our minds nothing had changed. This is why we didn't even notice that something had changed. This was not an intentional change, however the code is working as it's intended to right now. That being said; if you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue. I hope you can understand that as this was technically a bug fix and this was intended all the way along that I can't just go back in and edit it to how it used to work. So I hope that I've helped out here a bit. We're trying to communicate, we want to make sure that you guys are completely aware of all changes. Anything we don't notify you of is either likely to be a bug fix, or has changed unbeknownst to us. I'm sorry that this has caused so many problems, and I hope you can forgive us over this. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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kittenlily 🐈 (#50738)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-13 06:50:44 |
Heda, would you mind making a new suggestion about double markings? i dont really breed for them so i couldn't explain it very well, but i definitely want to support it because i know quite a few players who have spent fortunes of double marked lionessses 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Heda Vampiric (#56702)
Prophet View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-13 11:21:46 |
Alright. I made the new suggestion for marking changes only. I heavily referenced this thread so I wont be deleting it. New suggestion is here. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)
Badland Strider View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-13 18:03:45 |
Their exact post was 'I support everything the admins do- if they do something its (usually) for a GOOD reason, if any admins read this "thank you for making this game awesome!!"' To me, that doesn't seem like acting like the admins are high and mighty and never make any mistakes. They're pointing out their appreciation of the admins' work on this game, and to quote someone from another thread I read a while ago, 'if you don't like it, WolfPlayGame is just around the corner.' JackNOTDaniels wasn't really saying the admins are golden stars-- note the 'usually' in parentheses-- but they were saying that they appreciate the time and effort put into Lioden. I didn't think that I was defending people who no-supported this thread when I explained the reasoning behind my question. It's easy to see why people would no-support this thread because they think it's about markings instead of communication and they don't care about the markings; I was merely stating this as an explanation for my confusion. Please don't jump all over me for being confused. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Hex (#41384)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-13 18:48:10 |
Communication needs to be improved. Period. No if's and's or but's about it. You can't tell me that there's nothing wrong with the fact that we weren't informed of this change. I myself have wasted well over 200 GB in both pure currency and items for rosette lions and items in order to achieve a project that isn't even possible because it wasn't deemed important enough to even mention in a news post. It would have taken at most 20 seconds to add a little blurb about it, but because no one bothered to do that many of us have wasted time, money, and resources into something that's completely useless now. It's not okay, at all. Just because the admins aren't required to tell us these things doesn't mean it's not shitty if they don't. I don't care if they inform us of large changes. This was a change that affected people, and it's not right that it wasn't announced. This game has been in a downhill spiral, and it isn't looking good at all. Am I mostly angry about my own project? Yes, clearly I am. I bought over 50 rosette lionesses and kinged 2 triple rosettes (each costing me over 60 GB in items and currency just to purchase, nevermind customization and kinging fees) for a long term project. Obviously, I'm quite pissed that nothing was ever said. Because of it had been, I'd have never had to waste any of that currency or those items at all. But this goes more than just affecting me, or any other double marking breeder. Things are changed all the time with no mention, and it needs to be fixed. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-07 11:08:43 |
Definitely need a changelog somewhere on this site. Since the past few months are my busy time, I haven't rolled over in more than three months. Do you have any idea how hard it is to go through newsposts? They're named inane things and not every covered point can possibly be covered by the title anyway. There are quite a few changes that aren't documented there too. Like the offered example, for instance (which I would not have known were I not in the habit of browsing this particular forum). And honestly, all of the tiny details shouldn't be in the newsposts anyway. They should just hit on the big, fun changes. Niggling details are exactly what changelogs are for. A well maintained changelog could only be a boon on staff as well. Most technical questions could be answered by it, instead of passing the question telephone-style to someone who knows the answer offhand. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-12-27 11:17:29 |
Just a bump and a reminder that a changelog would make life easier even for staff! Another example: the recent release of combination bases has had many staff members informing the userbase that said bases cannot pass if two of the same (ie: madagascar and madagascar) are bred together. This isn't true! I had to play telephone over this today (and actually got my answer from teh scrying stone... finally. Turns out the pass rate just isn't good.) I don't, can't, believe that LioDen staff is spreading misinformation on purpose. Many of them are not aware of the way things are intended to work; they're not coding staff, after all! 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 27/12/17 @ 11:19:15 by Bezthiel #ShrikeHoarder (#81210) |
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Seiden 👑 (#31516)
Grumpy View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-03 07:38:05 |
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Eifiekat (G1 sunset pie) (#127898)
Flirty View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-03 15:08:43 |
Personally I do think the breeding system do need a slight tweek ^^ 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/03/18 @ 15:15:21 by Eifiekat (#127898) |
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