Posted by Special Lioness Adjustment [Anti-Mark Hoarding]

JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-12-28 04:55:07
Does anyone else find it super freakin' annoying when someone wins a new raffle mark and then proceeds to keep the mark to themselves for months and months, years even? We saw it with vit 8, practically every fulvous mark (ESPECIALLY rogue), currently with all the inverted Zebra marks (except white) and when margay first came out several users [who also had margay studs] entreated me to try and get a monopoly on the mark by raising my stud price from 5gb to 10gb-- I ignored them. Feline 7 silky was being hoarded by two users who only decided to sell when I convinced Katze to put the mark in the next couple of Special Ladies. Literally, they went up for sell the next INSTANT.

Lioden's current system of introducing new marks into the game isn't efficient. It actually encourages monopoly, and I'm fairly certain trying to acquire a monopoly against anything in-game is against the rules (correct me if im wrong). That said, Lioden shouldn't be running on a system that encourages monopoly.

If a mark fails to pass on a breed, you have to wait a month to try again. And if it does pass, usually that cub ends up kinged and the person who kinged it charges outrageous prices for a mark. Sometimes the winner of the special lady straight up just goes inactive shortly after winning her and sometimes they just outright refuse to sell the cubs.

I propose there be more than one special lioness, maybe up to five, maybe in different slots so that users would prefer one mark over the other. This means there would be multiple instances of the mark and the winners would be competitors instead of having a monopoly over the market and forcing other users to pay ridiculously high prices in studdings that don't even guarantee passing. However, the other special ladies would not be as good as the main Raffle Lioness. Each extra lady could vary in quality, declining as they go. Extra special ladies wouldn't be the norm for specials either. Raffle Lionesses would be as they are now, unless a special mark was released. Then and only then would there be multiples.

Multiples would appear thusly (the sample new mark is Cream Inverted Zebra, one variation who's other variants are currently being hoarded):
Featured
Secondary
Tertiary
Quarternary
Quinary

The community should not have to wait several months for a new mark to circulate through the game and I feel this would dissuade users from being greedy and selfish.



This suggestion has 259 supports and 26 NO supports.



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Angela |Skyward
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2017-12-28 06:03:50
(Changing my vote, y'all bring up a fair point)



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Edited on 28/12/17 @ 06:54:08 by Angela|LL| ClearSkyward (#77401)

Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2017-12-28 06:05:04
Mark hoarding aside, honestly (because I don't care), one single special lioness is not enough to get markings out to a community of 130.000 people.

So, support!



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-12-28 06:10:53
I never said it was unfair. Winners can charge what they like, multiple special lionesses will not change this. A few weeks to months is, again, too long a time. This suggestion eliminates the monopoly and lessens the chance of it taking years for a mark to reach critical mass.

Like Bezthiel said, One lioness is not enough for a website will 3k+ active players. Five going to different players isn't a huge leap.



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JackCat (#43626)

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Posted on
2017-12-28 07:58:51
Yes! So supporting <3



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Black Crown (#35246)

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Posted on
2017-12-28 09:37:14
Support.

I've won a special girl not too long ago, and decided to allow two people to breed with her for free, simply because I think it wouldn't be fair to keep every single cub or every breeding to myself. She passed Vit 8 at least 3 times by now. I currently own two of them (because they're too young to be transferred XD



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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2017-12-29 01:11:43
Thanks for your support. I don't wanna name names, but it looks like a certain partnering of users trying to monopolize decided to finally sell a mark they've been hoarding after finding out their monopoly is gonna be over soon. And just like Feline 7 Silky, it's being overcharged.

Greed and selfishness like this wouldn't be an issue if the mark was available from several sources instead of it falling into the hands of selfish users.



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Edited on 29/12/17 @ 05:47:16 by Jaxmas [CherryBloDENSEClean] (#98288)

Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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Posted on
2017-12-29 05:27:00
I support, as long as this is only when introducing new markings, however, I wouldn't mind if only 2 extra lionesses were trialled first as I think that would be a nice compromise (it is heavily unlikely that all 3 winners would agree to hoard the marking). Maybe the extra special lionesses could have Monkey Business backgrounds, as there is no issue with the availability of raffle backgrounds (they are available for everyone to buy with some effort) but it would be nice for them to have a backdrop.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-12-29 05:45:10
I was thinking the secondary and tertiary could have MB backgrounds and the final two just have default. Also, idk, users can get greedy and will cooperate if there's profit involved...



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Blue Pigeon Side (#69012)

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Posted on
2017-12-29 05:58:58
Maybe so, but I think 5 lionesses all at once would be a bit much. Although I do suppose it is plausible that the 3 winners could band together to get as much profit as possible, however, even only 3 new marking lionesses would be better and less likely to spawn a Monopoly than 1.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-12-29 06:03:53
Is it really much? Especially if the last two lionesses would be shit-tier and only have their special mark going for them (as seen in the examples), at least for raffle lionesses. What usually happens after people win a lioness is that people typically swamp the winners with offers (and winners often will not sell the lioness). People are impatient. They'd probably take offers for a reverse breed now then wait for profit later off a monopoly. Also five decreases the chance of a lioness going to some newb who goes inactive and then the rest of us are screwed over until the next time.




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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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2018-01-05 20:15:48
I personally don't support this they give out one lady a week I know she doesn't always have the special markings but I thought that was the piont it was a rare and hard to come by marking a special marking
I personally think it wouldn't be special if everyone had the marking only a few days after it was released



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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2018-01-06 00:40:14
Rare doesn't mean "just one in existence". If there's only 5 lions with a mark (or hell, 20 lions with a mark) people still consider it rare.

Adding four more lionesses won't change this.



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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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2018-01-06 09:35:57
It will more people will have it it will spread faster I'm against marking hoarding I spent 100 gb once just to help spread a raffle marking but I just like the way the special lioness raffle works and don't think it needs to change it's the people who win her that's the problem and that can't be changed



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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2018-01-06 09:43:41
I just suggested a solution to the problem. You're worrying about mark rarity, an entirely different issue. All marks eventually become common and most people don't gun for marks anyway: they want stats and/or bases. It doesn't justify hoarding.



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Thalassa {DHS} (#7869)

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Posted on
2018-01-06 09:52:41
You got my support. I have been a member for long before the special lioness was released and I remember most dramas about people hoarding rare marks and back then, the special bases. I understand the need to keep the special marks rare but keeping a monopoly, imo, will only lead to resentment towards the hoarders. I believe most casual players wouldnt pay 100GB for a single rare mark that may or may not pass and would rather wait for it to become more spread out in time.
I also agree with others saying that 1 special lioness isnt enough enymore for Liodens active population, and this could be a good countermeasure for the case that the special girl goes to someone that goes inactive.



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