Oh, I can definitely understand that frustration - which is why I say, I won't deny people their own opinions. But my point of view is this - it is like the chance of breeding a first generation Leopon, or Tigon. It isn't something you should expect to get. It is something that you should be blessed with.

I don't know how to put that in a less weird context; but that's how I see it. We are finally being given a base that can be held on as rare a level as a mutation, and I am absolutely stoked about that.

If it is okay to have a mutation that is this rare, then what is the problem with a base that does the same? We all know the likelihood is extremely slim, so at this point in time, anyone dropping or investing energy items and GB into finding it all know the risk they take.. Just like people who breed for first gen. Leopon. You don't see people trying for a first gen. Pon demanding the rates be lowered.

The junk is just a sideline thing - you didn't have to be given anything. It could have just been left as is - you could have reached the encounter, and the mysterious stranger could flip you the bird and leave you with nothing. To me, the extra items you receive aren't an issue in the slightest, they're just an added bonus consolation prize.

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Eh, to add on to Cala's analogy of the leopon -

You could compare the encounter to a GMO cow. The likelihood is rare for Leopon while common for common muties. Same with the likelihood of the applicator.

Perhaps Lioden doesn't want a base to be mass bred and produce in within the span of a week. I agree with Cala. I would much prefer a base almost as rare as a mutation can be

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A base coat or applicator should never be more valuable that the rarest mutations though...
Base coats don't pass like mutations do, so comparing a rare drop base coat to a leopon for rarity doesn't make any sense. You'll get a special coat cub before you ever get a non-leopon lioness to drop a first gen leopon, so than analogy doesn't work.

The consolation prizes that aren't the surprise breeding item don't hold any value and there's no market for them.
The market's pretty full of human livers and there's no demand for UAVs when giant torts exist and give way more exp.
Some of us will go the whole event most likely and not see the mysterious stranger once, and if we do see him once and we get one of the garbage prizes, that might be the only chance we get at trying for the app.

Also the "Finally something money can't buy" argument is kind of besides the point, the wealthier players WILL have the money to just buy the thing if any are even found with the low drop rate and low chance the encounter will give it.
The low drop rate for the encounter is overkill when it gives common items that are easy to obtain.

If the drop rate isn't going to be increased, at least increase the DB reward so it's not as disappointing and remove the 2 garbage items, or increase the drop rate for the encounter so we don't spend the entire month hunting for it only to not find it at all.

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But why shouldn't a base be as rare as a mutation? I don't understand any reasoning behind that theory at all, tbh? And with the recent adjustments to base passing rates, there is very much the likelihood that there could be or will be a base that is extremely hard to obtain in the future.

And the point of the cannot buy with money thing is the fact that unless people who find it choose to sell it, then those wealthier players won't have a shit show in getting it anyway. The fact it gives common items is nothing to do with the applicator itself whatsoever; they're just there to soften the burn when you don't get it.. The way I see it, it could have been coded whereby you get it or you don't.. But staff obviously decided to make it a little more fun than that by offering consolation prizes by way of lucky-dip style chance.

I can get on board with maybe increasing the DB prize; though it isn't really necessary to my own feelings on the matter (since I don't feel like it needed to be there in the first place) - but if that is what would make people feel a little better about not getting the applicator, then it might be a good solution in the end.

I just personally enjoy the idea of a super rare base, and I wish you all the best of luck in finding it - I'll be super stoked for whoever has the lucky chops to get it :D

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Because then regular old lions with no mutations or rare marks will start selling for the same price as a leopon because they have an ultra rare base. The stud prices will be sky high, for example, there are several sunrise studs with sb fees of 10k and higher, which is ridiculous for a chance at a base. At least with leopons, people tend to not charge more than 60gb to breed their pons unless they have some really rare markings.

It's not going to be fun spending the whole event hunting for the encounter only go get a uav or a human liver, especially if we only might find the encounter once. That's why we want the encounter changed to either increase the drop rate of the encounter or to remove the low demand items and increase the DB reward. I'm still pissed off I spent all of last month hunting for Interstellar and didn't find it, and I can't afford to buy it from someone who found it. I don't want a repeat of last month on steroids because the app itself is in an encounter that's rare and has a higher chance to give me items I don't need or want.

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And people are going to massbreed Solaris if they think it's going to be profitable for them, there's really no preventing it. If some of the players who make the majority of their money on lioden through massbreeding get it, they're going to massbreed or buy it off someone else so they can massbreed. It's already happening with Sunrise, there's no surefire way to prevent people from massbreeding marks and bases.

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I don't see a problem with regular non-mut lions selling for a sky-high price; I don't feel like a lion should necessarily only be valuable because it is mutated, which is part of the main reason I feel like a rare base would be a good thing for Lioden.

Beyond that; the chances of myself finding this applicator are just the same as your chances, and just the same as everyone else. We are all equally as reliant upon the RNG gods and random luck as one another, so we will each surely be disappointed if we do not find it.. But that is just the luck of the draw, and the way thing go, unfortunately. I wouldn't be able to afford to buy it, either, but I can only hope that those who do find it decide to stud their kings out - whether the prices are ridiculously high to begin with, like with Sunrise, would only mean I have something I need to work toward being able to afford to breed for. It would give me a reason to try and grind each month, so I can sell my stuff and procure funds for a Solaris breeding project. It is just the way the cycle works. Not everyone will get the base, and a few lucky people will. Everyone else will need to wait until next year, or otherwise work as hard as they can to breed one.

It is no different to breeding mutations or bases, really - some people are lucky and it requires little effort, some people put in a lot of effort and get lucky; and some people never, ever get what they are breeding for. I've tried breeding for Celestial, Skyward and Sidereal - I still haven't bred one. I've tried breeding a Soft Red Rosette out of my old king, and didn't get one. And just like with this explore encounter, the chances are in favour of me NOT getting the encounter at all; and even if I do, then the likelihood of getting the base to drop is even slimmer. It's just how it is. It might suck, but that is just the randomized process of the game; so I'll just have to alter my plans and keep trying. Making it easier to obtain still won't necessarily guarantee my chance of getting it, and even if it did - it wouldn't be as special, because that would increase the likelihood of other people getting it, too. And if that was the case, then it might as well just be made into an end of event gift base, like Divine - which isn't really special or exciting at all (I mean, it is pretty and a great base ofc; but it has no uniqueness, being that everyone got one).

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To be honest, lemme put it like this.

The chance of getting this encounter is already very extremely rare.
On top of that, the chance of getting the applier from it is also rare.

Do you see this rare stacking? How its STILL probably around twice as rare as the Interstellar no matter what you do?

I don't want it to be common either. But I also don't want trash chucked into my inventory as what feels like an insult for my efforts. Why care at that point? Just don't give anything if you're going that route. "Oooooh yes, totally give me that drone, or those dry bones I can make in five minutes." At the very least if it gave the 100* dry bones that's something. TBH in the long run its not MUCH. You'd still have to grind that extra 500 for a pair of nards, my dude.

We aren't* (or at least I'm not) asking for the encounter rarity to be lessened, or even the chance it'll give you the applicator. I just don't want trash shoveled in my inventory ONCE I DO get the encounter. (I won't, but that's beside the point.)

There is also a moot point on wanting it to stay rare. Look at the DU debacle. It's only gotten more common because people are breeding SPECIFICALLY for the DU mutation. The fact of the matter is that once Solaris bases are in the game, there's going to be at LEAST one completely dedicated breeder who's gunna Crunchy Worm and Buff Ball those bitches. And October is coming up fast, when Crunchy Worms are actually for sale. So all they would have to do is stuff them in a side account until Crunchy Worms are available.

What I'm trying to say is worrying this overly much probably isn't necessary.

We just don't want junk!

That's all! D:

EDIT: Edited for grammar correction, I botched it, oh god.

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We do see a problem with regular lions selling for as much as a leopon, because not all players have the means to get the funds to afford lions that're that expensive. If I could afford to just buy all the lions with bases and mutations I wanted, I wouldn't be stressed out about about not getting the Solaris app or the rare encounter. But I'm not a wealthier player, I'm not going to be able to afford several hundred GB to buy it off someone else.

I get that you wouldn't mind lions being more expensive, special base lions are already really expensive, the rest of us that can't afford that don't want to spend an entire year working to get a base that'll be obsolete next august when a new event base comes out, same with every other month that gets new bases every year. It'd just become an impossible goal, like breeding a sunset lethal, no one likes an impossible goal. It's discouraging and it makes people lose interest in playing. And the encounter appearing more isn't going to make Solaris any less unique, because not everyone's going to get the app from the encounter... We're literally not asking the admins to give every player a solaris app, we just want the encounter to give us something that's actually worth it or have a somewhat higher drop rate. I don't want to waste my time exploring hourly for 10+ hours a day ( I spend way more than 10 hours a day playing. No, I don't sleep much. ) for the span of a month only to get a uav that I could but for a few hundred sb... At least getting 100db would a little less disappointing.

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Thank you again Bennet!

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TBH I don't mind it still being obscenely rare. I just don't wanna be spat on lmfao.

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I'm actually gonna say the encounter itself is as rare as the interstellar drop and so far Solaris is seeming to be more then 10× as rare. It is still nonexistent in the game.
As for expensive bases- again interstellar. There's no prices in the TC at the moment but it's value on a lion seems to be 50-80 GB, with the app itself more then 100. Solaris is a pleasing cream base which I'm happy to see, but very very few people are going to get it.

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I support. I’m a very active explorer and I still haven’t seen the encounter on either account, so adding more and more layers of rarity onto it seems overkill. I don’t really like the Solaris base, and I’m not interested in cream bases, so on a personal level I’m not bothered if I find it or not.

But there are plenty of people who do, and I think the current level of rarity really is a little much, imo. Because although it’s nice to have something rare, and for it to be random so everyone has an equal chance, neither of those things will last 10 minutes because this is a base. I feel like the rarity is more or less an illusion - it stops most people having a hope of finding the app, and just concentrates all the money-making potential on whoever is rich enough to be able to buy that first one. The rarity won’t last long at all.

Because as soon as it’s found, it is likely to be a case of whoever is willing/able to spend the most currency will get it, mass breed it, and in no time it will spread. Unless there are serious limits on pass rates as has just been done to kimanjano (which I certaintly haven’t heard is a thing for Solaris, it seems to be just a regular special like celestial etc), it isn’t going to be rare for long. That’s just the nature of bases, and we’ve seen how quickly it can happen, such as with Sunrise recently.

It makes sense for certain mutations like pons to be rare, because it’s difficult to mass-breed those since lion balls can’t be used. But anything like bases where a stud can have it and pass it on is simply a numbers game. Mass breed enough NCLs and within a week that base will already be rapidly spreading - it’s easy and effective. So for me, trying to keep certain apps like this rare just doesn’t make sense. The base itself soon won’t be that rare (if it’s popular enough to keep people's interest and doesn’t go the same way as Pearl etc), so limiting access to the app to this kind of level is only a temporary move that annoys a lot of players - especially Cream breeders - without really making any difference longterm.

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Agreed, thank you Myr.

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