Posted by -LOCKED - [Jul] Don't turn Celestial/etc marks into apps

Agryo [Quitting] (#70050)


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2019-07-05 15:15:13
[EDIT: I bump this accidentally sometimes while looking at it again, this is SOLVED let's PLEASE not necro the post, Celestial Raffle marks are safe all's okay we can rest easy gjknktnkrgn]

Please, just don't.

Celestial, Skyward and Sidereal have been breed-only since their conception and users have greatly enjoyed working around the slots they are common in or finding new ones. They're well loved, especially Celestial Speckles, in the same vein as Feline 8 or a pretty Vitiligo or Margay.

People have spent years breeding these and priding themselves on breeding full Skyward/Celestial/Sidereal kings, or mixing and matching. Hell, we've had new slots introduced via Groupies and July Raffle girls to keep things fresh.

Don't make breed-only markings applicable, it removes all joy users get from working on breeding quads. Imagine the outcry if the white Vitiligo marks could be applied- months, years of projects and studs and careful breeding now no more valuable than a king with a pile of applicators slapped on in any order desired.

Either:
A) Leave them as-is, but perhaps popping up more rarely on July raffle lions (they're already common and appear on groupies anyways)

B) Retire them from the July spawn pool, so we work with the slots we have.

C) Introduce new markings in those colors as breed-onlys (Celestial Feline? Skyward Lace?) to revive interest but conserve their value and challenge. Imagine people trying for octa Skywards or something, rad.

D) Introduce new markings in the colors as applicator marks. I don't like this because then the definition of a quad X could just be one full of applicator marks (like 'octa vits' with three colored vits), but. Eh. Better than the original markings being apps.

If people want one of the marks? Buy a cub for cheap and breed it into their projects, like we all have done, or settle for an applicatior that creates a similar effect.

Don't mistake the love people have for these markings for a desire to have then handed to us. Please don't set this precident for turning Raffle markings into applicable ones <3

EDIT:

We cool we cool, Celestial and co won't be made into apps! Still a thread to look at for... I guess historical purposes?

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This suggestion has 369 supports and 98 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/04/20 @ 10:08:55 by Agryo [Project] (#70050)

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spots (#98320)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:17:05
YES YES YES YES YES PLEASE

*PLEASE*.

Even the possibility of this shits all over people who have put work and GB into this game.

It means the devs are seriously considering turning old breed-only marks that people busted for into something that everyone can achieve without any care or work. This is a slippery, slippery slope.



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Edited on 05/07/19 @ 15:21:13 by The Serval Spots 💛🌼 (#98320)

Hiatus (#125490)


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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:17:19
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO DO THIS

PLEASE DON'T.



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[] Folly (#80040)


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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:17:50
SUPPORT.



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yeehaw country man (#122541)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:18:43
Preach, Aggy, preach.



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KMFDM [kernnkraft] (#65181)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:18:48
absolute support



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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:19:08
THANK YOU.

When I first started Lioden, I took a liking to the Celestial/Skyward/Sidereal marks and bases because they were breed-only and a challenge. I busted my ass and spent my hard-earned money to eventually produce what I wanted. To throw that all out the window and make them applicators would be completely and utterly devastating. I'm saddened that this is even a poll and potential option.



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⚡️Bear⚡️ (#97728)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:22:38
Support 100%
Thank you for making this.



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Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:23:18
I definitely agree. These marks were designed to be raffle markings and so should they remain. It'd just be too easy with applicators and take their values way too far down. There need to be some challenging event markings that can hold good value with all the markings that come in applicators or are applicable in November. If our current ones are retired, who's to say that any new ones won't be retired into applicators in a few years?



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Agryo [Quitting] (#70050)


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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:23:51
Celestial marks have and always been my thing, they're what really got me into breeding and spending money on this game. My current king and future projects are still based around quad Celestial - hell, I'm even carefully working on bringing a rare Speckles slot to the table. Please don't invalidate our effort, don't misinterpret our love for these markings for a desire to have them handed to us.


Like someone said on the news post- Lioden is supposed to be a lion/breeding sim, not an applicator sim. Let people keep their options for breed-only projects and give people some sort of white/silver/etc Speckle applicator if that's what people want.



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pretzelbear🥨 (#159405)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:24:10
P L E A S E

support support support support support support support support



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Luth Par (#27205)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:25:40
Thank you for speaking out and being so eloquent about it. Let’s not forget the confusion that would be added to the game by having some celestial markings be applicable and others be breed only/raffle/special.

I know of many players that have worked their butts off for quads. A quad sidereal with a sidereal base is an INSANE challenge, same goes with all of the other July-released bases. With grinding in game and some purchasing power, what once made the game fun and challenging would completely be nullified. Not only that, but uncommon marking slots adds challenge and fun to the game. A king or a lioness suddenly has value by having a common marking be in an uncommon slot. Said value would be undermined immediately if this is implemented.

AND introducing celestial applicator markings the same way interstellar base app has been revamped to be would also be DEVASTATING. This is a huge no for me. In the end, the fun that comes from designing a new king with an uncommon slot and BREEDING said marking would no longer exist.

Additionally, this sets forth a dangerous precedent; all raffle markings can be made applicable. Why not? Celestials, which are only released in July, would be accessible all year round in the form of applicators. The weekly raffle lioness would then also be useless if all of her markings can be applied? Applicable onyx margay or x/y panther of what once were raffle only markings would further destroy multi panther or multi margay projects.


Aggy, you gave some excellent recommendations. I hope this is given some serious consideration. Lioden: A revolutionary twist on the SIM game experience:.... APPLY markings to CREATE the best cubs, not breed...



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LionOfLife (#104672)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:27:56
SUPPORT SUPPORT SUPPORT

applicators would be too easy, like if there was a elysian applicator.



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Kelpy (#136803)

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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:31:40
Making it an app is a HORRIBLE idea! The only way I'd see it as conceivable would be, like, an Interstellar kind of rare explore drop



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mythh [fiery is
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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:36:31
I totally agree with this idea and disagree with the poll. I can’t imagine spending 100+gb on 4 skyward/sidereal/celestial marked heir *or* spending YEARS breeding to one day have all your time, efforts and money be a total waste.
To say I’m disappointed with Lioden admins for even contemplating taking some of our breed only marks is an understatement.
After this, what’s next? Feline Onyx applicators? Why not Feline Silver? Or maybe a margay mark bundle that’s similar to the sepia ones that’s nothing but all colors of margay.
For the few who care about slots, this absolutely destroys that market for those marks too. It’s just not fair and unreasonable to even consider this being even a decent idea.



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🌻 the serval
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Posted on
2019-07-05 15:43:47
LIODEN: The revolutionary applicator experience.



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