Posted by Fix Marking Tiers

Grimme (#79085)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 08:55:03
Hey folks I'm here to let you know your frustration about the tiers are shared. Tired of looking at them and getting confused? Same!

Why is Hyena Spots in tier 3 and Hyena Stripes in tier 5?
Mottled Stripes in tier 3? Quick someone RMA it before they fix it!
Why do Oasis marks get 2 tiers? They're all oasis what's the difference here?


Would it not be simpler to reduce what each tier represents?
[Common - Tier 0] - NCL, Rolled, All Oasis Marks
[Custom/Event Applicators - Tier 1] - All Applicator Marks
[Raffle/NCL Exclusive - Tier 2] Markings exclusively that need to be bred for
[Event/Piety - Tier 3] - July markings (Event applicators are not here check tier 1)
[Rosette - Tier 4] - This tier excludes Mottled & Stripes because they cannot be rolled via RMA
[RMA Exclusive - Tier 5] - Markings from RMA only
[RMA Exempt - Tier 6] - Please remove Hyena from this tier its confusing



This suggestion has 31 supports and 0 NO supports.



Edited on 07/07/19 @ 09:02:55 by Grimme (#79085)

the serval spots
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Heartless
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Posted on
2019-07-07 08:55:40
Yes,,, please,,, Mottled Stripes is a mess


yeehaw country man (#122541)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 09:10:23
Fucking please. Make this consistent, please, and not just “throwing darts at a board to determine what tier markings go in”


Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 09:37:30
Hey, guys. I just wanted to clarify that markings do have set tiers, as shown in December's Big Update.

"Tier 0 - common markings, such as ones found in NCLs, rolled males and Oasis
Tier 1 - custom markings, such as ones found in Marking Applicator and Oasis
Tier 2 - raffle markings - these are breed only
Tier 3 - event markings - these are obtainable via special events such as monthly NCLs, event applicators, NCL exclusive etc
Tier 4 - rosette markings - these have unique breeding patterns
Tier 5 - these are disabled from Random Marking Applicator due to unique raffle applicators, event applicators that aren't unlocked yet, mutation markings and so on.
Tier 6 - these are RMA exclusive"


If any markings are displaying in tiers that they shouldn't be (such as Mottled Stripes in Tier 3), please Bug Board it so that our coders may look into it. It's also probably a good idea not to recommend that someone use RMAs to try and get Mottled Stripes, since that would be considered abusing an unintended game bug. :)


yeehaw country man (#122541)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 09:48:01
Yes they have set tiers, but half the tiers and the markings in those tiers don’t make any sense, that’s the point.

The mottled stripes part isn’t a suggestion or a recommendation, it’s just pointing out WHY tiers make no sense. And nobody will think to bug board that when everything else is so inconsistent that there’s no way to tell that it’s a bug that needs to be fixed.


Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 09:49:53
Mottled Stripes is not intended to be in Tier 3. It should be in Tier 5, as it is a mutation-specific marking. Any applicator markings that are in Tier 5 should be located in Tier 3, but it's likely that they were added into Tier 5 while the events were still starting off, and simply were not moved to their proper tier.

It's not exactly something that requires a suggestion thread, so much as it is just an oversight with moving markings back into their proper tiers. I can at least assure anyone viewing this thread that Mottled Stripes is impossible to receive in an RMA despite what its tier number shows.


Grimme (#79085)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 10:13:34
This is not a suggestion thread for just one marking, and those questions above are just shown to show how ridiculous tiers actually are, they are jokes and should be taken as such.

It seriously can't be up to the players to know when a marking is bugged or not. Is Hyena Stripes in tier 5 a bug, because it seems like one, but how should I know?

I personally modboxed Mottled Stripes, because it was a serious question asking if it can be gotten through RMA since it was not in the tier that excludes it, but this suggestion is about all tiers. Please separate the two.

This is a serious suggestion that aims to fix clear mistakes in the tier system and also clear up confusion they cause.



Edited on 07/07/19 @ 10:14:23 by Grimme (#79085)

Myriad (#76)


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Posted on
2019-07-07 12:44:52
Honestly I don't really find the suggested categories simpler...it just moves things around which risks confusing everyone even more since we've got used to how the current tiers work.

In particular I definitely would prefer to keep event markings separate from ordinary oasis applicable ones, unlike what's mentioned in the suggested list. Otherwise that's very likely to confuse people who think they can just spend 3GB to apply it with an ordinary app, when actually it's an expensive event app that is on the 'random 1 of 4 markings' system so cannot be easily and cheaply applied at all. That's just a recipe for a lot of confusion and disappointment imo.

I guess what I'm trying to say is just that although the current system is complex, I don't really think it's in need of a huge overhaul - besides fixing the few bugged markings mentioned, which are just outliers that have been missed. The marking system on LD just is complicated in general, so the tiers inevitably reflect that. Maybe it's just that I am used to playing around with markings in wardrobe, but I don't think the current tiers are that bad once you get the hang of it. I would like if the list of tiers was included in wardrobe somewhere as a reminder though - maybe at the bottom of the page or something...


Grimme (#79085)

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Posted on
2019-07-07 13:20:54
Forgive me for being confused, but Marking Applicator is suggested for Tier 0, while every other applicator gotten through an event is suggested for Tier 1. I'm not understanding how this can be confusing for people? So in actuality my suggestion kept oasis & event markings separated. The only reason the word 'custom' is used is because that is what the tier is called already and what are event markings if not custom?

My idea is to make the tier system less complex by moving things around. The only real changes occur in Tier 0,1 & 3.

While in Tier 2 there are only a handful of markings that are actually NCL exclusive that don't show up as piety, so the change here is minimal.


Myriad (#76)


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Posted on
2019-07-07 14:15:42
Ah I see, it was the use of 'custom' that confused me. I've never really heard event markings called custom - that's pretty much always been used to mean oasis markings, at least in my experience. Derived originally from the Customiser in the oasis I suppose, though that isn't too popular these days.

I guess it's just personal preference tbh; for me I just prefer the way the tiers are currently arranged. But I do get your point, and the tier system can be confusing especially for new players - it'd be nice if they at least made which tier is which clearer within wardrobe itself