Posted by [Nov] Shaman Quests: An Exercise in RNG Futility

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-02 01:09:08
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✪ Summary:

Shaman Piety is an extremely limited currency. Unlike almost every other quest in every Lioden event - potentially *every* other quest - Shaman Quests cannot be properly skipped without detriment to the player. Other quests allow you to skip a quest if it proves too hard. You pay an event beetle fee or SB to be given a new, random quest and you move on with life.

Not so with Shamans. If you skip a quest, you permanently lose a quest for the day. And if you get multiple quests you can't complete, well you're out of luck.

With the sheer amount of new encounters being added to the game constantly - both event and normal encounters - it continuously weighs the RNG odds of getting the correct encounter AGAINST the player. There is also a very incredibly obvious mechanic in place that makes certain encounters - if not all - harder to find if the quest seeking it is active.

After 6 or 7 energy bars, you should have found your quest encounter by now, but that's not the case. But after skipping the quest, miraculously, what you were looking for shows up.

Frankly, this is getting absurd.

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Add a Scarab Beetle 're-roll quest' option instead of a total skip.
[+] DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.

I'm suggesting this amount be 10 Scarab Beetles. This month gives low currency drops and if you repeatedly get a quest you can't do, it'll be pricy, but at least you won't be locked out of quests entirely because it continues to ask you to look for that dumb cow or those humans you haven't seen even once since the event started.

You get 2-3 Piety per quest, and the big ticket Piety rewards for many players are Ancestral Markings. It takes thirty (30) to apply a single marking. That's 5-ish days worth of work assuming you can even complete every quest. If you can only complete 2, it stretches into 10 days.



Edit Log:
[ ADDED] 11/23/2020: DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.
Since there is an issue with multiple quests through the game already doing this, I'm politely requesting that if this change is implemented, it doesn't give players the same quest they skipped.

[UPDATE] 11/19/2022: LioDevs have added the following encounter as of November 2022:

However, despite it being added, some have reported rarely finding this encounter. It may not be sufficient.

Quote: "Huge support. I know they implemented the Ahihia encounter BUT I never encountered her even once in the entirety of November. At all. And I am a hardcore player, I roll every day and play for hours. So either the chance of getting the encounter is so low that it’s not even useful, or they messed up and didn’t implement it right. Either way, there DEFINITELY needs to be options for those quests bc it there were days in November where I went 12 hours of constant exploring and never got the one I needed" -via Chow.Hound (#162617)

I myself only encountered her once.
If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 562 supports and 5 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/12/22 @ 18:29:25 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-11-10 00:10:48
MASSIVE SUPPORT here!
It wasn’t always this bad when I first joined but all the new event encounters are clogging up and making it nearly impossible to get the quest required one
It’s amazingly frustrating!



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Mnada (#208144)

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Posted on
2021-11-16 10:25:04
Support! Especially since there's less players on lioden due to the sister site being recently released, we need something like this so we can unlock tiers!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-11-16 10:39:57
Furiku (#208144) :: Tiers do be unlocking really slow these days, don't they.



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Mnada (#208144)

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2021-11-16 13:58:29
@Nadir hella slow



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2021-11-18 04:42:24
I'm starting to think there's no such ecounter as katanga lion...



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-11-18 08:38:26
TrollBerserker[PFM] ⚡ 6KCel (#110675) :: I spent 5 bars trying to find katanga yesterday and never did ;)



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Mandrill 🥭 (#102505)


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2021-11-18 09:13:02
Support! My rng game is miserable, I have heir breeding projects in the year and save these lions to finally take their true form in November through the piety event, but it unfortunately has been really punishing and I've had to skip several quests even though I'm an active player.

I don't want this shaman quest looming over me all day, having to remind myself to speed explore a few times hoping to get lucky so I can bank up some precious piety for a lion I've waited months to king.

The only other option for really bad luck is promise transactions with other players which is risky.

It's just a headache, I would gladly sacrifice my scarab beetles as a penalty. I don't want to have to wait another year and fingers crossed I get the explore events I need.

Edit: 6 Energy Bars, no sick antelope … the Savannah was full of them before I had this quest assigned to me.



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Edited on 18/11/21 @ 09:17:23 by Sunning Mandrill ☼ (#102505)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-11-18 10:36:44
Sunning Mandrill ☼ (#102505) :: Basically every other event quest, if a player is willing to sacrifice beetles, they can get something better, but this is the only quest you can't. And considering how desirable the Piety Markings are, it's easy to see how the RNG and bloated encounter numbers, on TOP of standard encounters, very quickly stacks against the player. Asking players to spend an entire day on a single quest is unreasonable, and there definitely needs to be a bypass.

Of note, I got the Katanga Lion quest again today and I just didn't bother. I've got levels to grind. Fuck that noise.



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Mandrill 🥭 (#102505)


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2021-11-18 10:47:57
You make a really solid argument about other events having skippable penalties. We all know even 100 for the gorilla enclave can be brutal especially on top of TC costs, but it's amazing to have that option in place.

Why not November?!

As you say, it just seems like with every passing year with new encounters being thrown into the mix, doesn't feel the event will be tenable for a lot of players in the future.

Fkkkpklktk Katanga, I had that quest yesterday, Transvaal, Kalahari, Tsavo all stopped by to give me the finger, so I just had to skip again - and when I skipped, GUESS WHO SHOWED UP?!
katangalionday.png



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Edited on 18/11/21 @ 10:51:57 by Sunning Mandrill ☼ (#102505)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-11-18 10:53:15
Sunning Mandrill ☼ (#102505) :: Remember, it's just "bad rng". ;)

There's another user on the forums who has a solid suggestion regarding the cub quests and how it constantly requests cubs that aren't for sale and how to fix it. If you want to support that one, PM me for a link. I've basically dropped all of my unnecessary cosmetic suggestions in favor of pushing to get site features fixed and QoL suggestions added.

Feel free to share this thread with friends who are having similar issues. More engagement and feedback is important, and thank you for yours!



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Mandrill 🥭 (#102505)


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2021-11-18 10:58:13
Bwuahaha, my account is cursed, I know

Hit me up Nadir! Sounds like another great suggestion to support When I roll my side I'll be back to slam another support, and I'll be nagging my friends too, naturally ;)

EDIT: Thanks for bumping it, I saw and supported the GE adjustment too - really good idea.



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Edited on 18/11/21 @ 11:06:54 by Sunning Mandrill ☼ (#102505)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-11-29 00:41:14
Better luck next year.

Please feel free to continue to share this with people who you think may have valuable input or who may wish to support. Thank you everyone for your help again this year.



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di (#126735)

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2022-08-23 07:50:53
SUPPORT.

I don't care how many times people might swear up and down that there's nothing in play that makes certain encounters harder to find if you actively need them. THERE. IS. It doesn't make sense how x encounter shows up constantly until I'm on a quest that I NEED it to show up for, and it suddenly stops showing up altogether. It's infuriating.




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Posted on
2022-09-28 23:51:49
HHUUUUGE support on this...
I cant even count how many energy bars I wasted on finding that damn lion skull to puts herbs in... Or, if this idea cant get throu, make the encounter with Ahihia, where she help with completition of quest, more common. Previous year I met her in explore only once! FOR WHOLE MONTH OF ACTIVE PLAY! (yes, it was so absurd I remember it until now)



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harvey (#350256)

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2022-11-01 19:07:53
2022 +support. This is worse than September's omens quests. As a newer player going through these events for the first time, hearing other players report that what they need for the quests is not showing up after multiple full energy bars is not a good look.



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