Posted by [July] Making battles with celestials more fair

Laina12345 (#194959)

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Posted on
2021-07-08 05:27:07
It's quite strange to see that a celestial who is 5 times weaker than you kicks you every time, while you often misses. I suggest to delete the ability of celestials to kick your lion more than 2-3 times in a row without your ability to move.

Upd.(11.07)
What is more, they easily can kick you with damage of 40 and higher, it's not normal. Sometimes several times in a row, so you just loose quickly.

Plus your king looses really often, which I also find inappropriate.
Here is one of my last fights(read from bottom to the top):
The Radioactive Snake bites you for 48 damage.
You fail to hold the opponent and they break free.
The Radioactive Snake hits you for 13 damage and grabs you.
You fail to hold the opponent and they break free.
The Radioactive Snake misses.
Your attack misses.
The Radioactive Snake misses.
You pound the opponent for 11 damage.
The Radioactive Snake misses.
Your attack misses.
The Radioactive Snake hits you for 11 damage and grabs you.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Radioactive Snake bites you for 45 damage.
You charge at the opponent for 15 damage.

I kicked this creature only 2 times, TWO! And I remind you that I 4 times stronger than they are.



This suggestion has 146 supports and 1 NO support.



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Edited on 11/07/21 @ 05:19:55 by Laina12345 (#194959)

Ponsibleaut (#237022)

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Posted on
2021-07-15 02:56:06
YES! THANK YOU!



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Magnituda [sunrise
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Posted on
2021-07-15 02:59:07
It's only the matter of figuring out the right moves for each creature. For example:

Wyverns: Paunce -> claw

Burstlings, dustlings: multiple roars

Drake/drakelings/Interstellar Snake/Pulsar Windssrah: charge -> grab -> pound/kick

Suddenly it's very easy to defeat most of them Not all, and not bosses but still



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Ponsibleaut (#237022)

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Posted on
2021-07-15 02:59:52
MY KING LOOSES 8/10 TIMES!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-07-15 03:09:07
@Magnituda: I think one of the things people are struggling with is *remembering* which applies to what encounter. Every single enemy having special battle conditionals is a bit much - and worse yet, some normal enemies actually hit as hard as bosses for seemingly no reason. Many of the Celestials look very similar and can make it difficult to recall what attacks work against which.

For new players and veterans alike, battles are posing a huge hurdle for what used to be a fun event.

I've actually stopped bothering this month. It's killing me inside. I used to collect so many star-themed things in July. Sitting it out feels horrible.



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Magnituda [sunrise
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2021-07-15 03:57:05
I have notes on my laptop. I absolutely do not remember it all by heart xd And it was collective effort of many players gathering the info. I just noticed wyverns are like people so you can claw them to death xd

This is why, for once, having seperate explore is useful. I can safely collect MS on my mobile and battle dragons only on my laptop with notes on hand.

But I see your point so nor do I support nor do I do not support this thread Just wanted to give my perspective



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Edited on 15/07/21 @ 03:58:20 by Magnituda [G2 clouded Cinna] (#198042)

TrollBerserker[PFM]
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Posted on
2021-07-15 14:20:52
Exhausted and close to death, you use your last ounce of strength to flee the battle. You lose miserably, and lose -5 energy.
The Gamma Ray Beast hits you for 11 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 18 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 15 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 18 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 17 damage.
You pound the opponent for 8 damage.
The Gamma Ray Beast hits you for 13 damage.
Your attack misses.
The Gamma Ray Beast misses.
You grab the opponent with your paws dealing 8 damage.

OH FUCK THIS!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-07-18 18:19:23
Radioactive snake is one of the enemies that is probably the most frustrating.
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Doing 30 to 40 damage in a single hit is ridiculous. Radioactive snake is listed as a normal enemy and yet hits for the same damage as boss enemies.
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I only won this fight because by some miracle it started to hit.

For the record, User: Before (#25066) has put together a battling guide which players are helping them update, which is located here: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429431796

The problem is that you can do everything right and just miss forever and lose anyways because these enemies do so much damage that the margin for error is so slim.

Also this is a common sight:
Exhausted and close to death, you use your last ounce of strength to flee the battle. You lose miserably, and lose -5 energy.
The Interstellar Drake hits you for 15 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake hits you for 18 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake hits you for 14 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake bites you badly for 23 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake bites you badly for 24 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake misses.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake hits you for 13 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Interstellar Drake stumbles in confusion.
You charge at the opponent for 22 damage and stun them.
You have entered a battle with a Interstellar Drake.

I am beginning to doubt that this event was tested.



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Edited on 18/07/21 @ 18:43:40 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

Blop(scou 2,9) (#208667)

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Posted on
2021-07-19 05:43:53
Totally agree. Cause... WHAT IS IT???
The Radioactive Snake bites you for 45 damage.
You charge at the opponent for 19 damage.
The opponent keeps their distance.
You back off to rest a bit and regain 8 hit points.
The Radioactive Snake bites you for 42 damage.
Your attack misses.
The Radioactive Snake bites you for 48 damage.
You try to grab the opponent but fail.
The Radioactive Snake misses.
You charge at the opponent for 11 damage.

Three times more than 40, it's not ok..



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ɑʑʀɑɘʟ🎐 (#232556)

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2021-07-19 06:55:51
Yeah the radioactive snake, kinda used to it by now, it's just OP and unless rng is being kind and makes it miss all its moves, you're basically dead

What I'm really salty about is the fact that when i fought a wyvern (this applies to any other space...thingy, whatever they are) which should be the easiest since you just claw it a few times and you're done but instead i keep missing when i try the grab and its SO FRUSTRATING so i can't even claw it and I'm dead.
Also the rimes when you're JUST about to defeat a drakling or sth, it only has a slither of health left and you have at least one third of you're bar of health left, you just need ONE POUND TO HIT. AND IT NEVER DOES. Until you're dead that is.
Seriously the rng on this thing is so messed up, i can't stand having both of us missing our hits three times in a row. My meteorite shards are running so fast, and honestly i feel like l'm wasting my time. It's become such a grind and chore to make AC that most people buy the AC from others for GB, which just makes the event pay-to-win. The point of event is to give us an opportunity to earn event currency and spend that on event items, but I feel like I'm using a shit ton of my SB and GB on this, which is even more messed up tbh.

The celestial explore is a great idea, better than the firefly forest at least, but this seriously needs to be fixed cause its honestly getting me SO ONE THE EDGE and i feel like hitting my head against a wall. Or break my phone. Or both.

Sorry I've been trying hard to be kind and nice not to be mean or throw hate (pls mods and admin team WE ARE NOT THROWING HATE AT YOU ❤) but every time this rng fucks up I feel like having a breakdown, sorry again just very
(For obvious reasons-)



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-07-19 10:23:00
With normal animals that have a high miss rate - cheetahs for example - they're balanced out by the fact they don't hit very hard. But because these also hit harder and have higher miss rates and lower grab rates, it's just completely skewing the battle against you. Either their damage needs severely nerfed, the grab rate needs improved, or the miss rate needs nerfed.

I don't *mind* the extra mechanics. I mind that their stats are broken.



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di (#126735)

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Posted on
2021-07-20 09:00:19
YES. I literally can only beat the Wyverns. Cause my weak lion can claw them to death and usually win. Other than those enemies, forget it. :c



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TrollBerserker[PFM]
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Posted on
2021-07-22 06:19:07
Lion on Arid Desert:

"You lost -10 energy and gained +384 EXP, +1% impression progress , and found 8 scattered silver beetles!"

- no special overpowered attacks
- less Strenght advantage then in Celestial battles but the fight seems more fair anyway
- more EXP

No wonder I don't want to do Celestial crap.



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Slade (#36600)

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Posted on
2021-07-25 13:41:20
I got hit for 57hp from the Interstellar Snake on the first hit. Missed a bunch, then got hit again for 48.




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Edited on 25/07/21 @ 13:44:05 by Slade (#36600)

Kit in a Box
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Posted on
2021-07-25 15:57:00
After I expended my stash of lucky feet I have been losing roughly half(?) of all the celestial battles. Sometimes because I forget what each one does, sometimes because I've apparently angered the RNGods.

I've got stun-locked a few times when trying to grab or from being grabbed and the battle promptly ended. It was kind of ridiculous, honestly. If it happens again I'll try to take a screen shot of it because, boy, that was not fun.

Edit: Not a stun-lock but my king and a Stellar Serpent just missed each other for 6 turns.
Spoiler because long.




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Edited on 25/07/21 @ 16:12:19 by Kit in a Box ~🌸~ G2 Svelte (#61637)







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