-LOCKED - Community Update #113!
Posted on 2021-07-09 14:16:12

Community Update
As we mentioned before, aside from event news and the 2nd Friday of the month being focused on coding/art updates all at once, all other Fridays are centered around the community!


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Official Lioden Raffle


LINK - This is our official community update raffle. Everyone gets a chance to win a rare prize, plus something extra for any runner ups. These raffles have a very minimal ticket price, and there is a limit of 1 ticket per account to make it fair! Good luck!
This raffle will automatically end on 2021-07-16 00:00:00.


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Art and Coding Bug Fixes


* Decors on Dorsal Fur pride leader portraits should no longer be flipped
* Fixed a duplicate of "Celadon" that replaced "Tessera" genetics, and thus prohibited any "Dunt" eyes to appear
* Lion Pride Veiled Wraps [Light Blue and Pink] should now display on all lions
* Previously, the Item Catalogue would not search all locations that an item was available in, this has been fixed
* Searching for main males wouldn't sort by level properly, this has been fixed


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Regarding the July Event


Hello, Lioden!

We're just writing this to extend a hand from the devs to the players, and touch base with you all on some of the feedback and comments we've been receiving over the past couple of days.

Retiring the Event


As we mentioned in previous news posts (July 2020, June 2021, and July 2021), the original July event would be retiring this year. We know that July was a very content rich event with lots of things to do. We know that the theme overall is popular, too. We know that by comparison, what launched this month seems less than and that can be a shock. However, all of our events started off launching on a smaller scale and grew over time. This time is no different, but we understand it can be disappointing now that the majority of events have had several years of fleshing out. We really hope you'll be patient with us and be excited to watch it grow.

Because of several years of content additions, in the end the event became messy and disjointed, and we felt it required a complete overhaul. Additionally, we know that the storyline left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, and as explained, we felt it best to leave these characters behind and move on with new characters. We know that originally it was planned for Tefnut to have a mini backstory, but over time we as devs felt the storyline needed to be put to rest, and so that didn't happen.

We were surprised to see players upset about the removal of the storyline when we had explained it would be retiring, and so few players voiced their upset at this before.

Launching the New Event


Tefnut's memories, in hindsight, shouldn't have launched until the 8th and we apologise for that. Gathering MS which could then be spent there sent the wrong message when the new explore requires the shards to have steps. The apps originally launched in SB prices. After concern started being voiced by players about how cheap they were and the risk it would ruin the market, the prices got upped. This then caused more upset with other players, and the prices were changed to MS. This, then, caused upset again, and it became obvious that all of these choices were wrong. We then moved to remove the apps entirely from the shop and are still considering what to do, but we can promise that the apps will not return for a MS price, and more likely to be reverted to either SB, AC, or the option for both.

The new MS output is intentional because the event has changed. However, we listened to you all and gave an increase so you'd be able to get more steps in celestial explore.

Back to the celestial explore. We've seen comments voiced that it's too similar to the lunar event on Wolvden and that's upsetting, but we think considering it's an explore system, it is impossible not to see similarities between our other games and events. We will however consider the feedback for this, and look to see if we can do anything about this.

With regards to the enemies - they have more 'special' components than regular enemies, such as some of them having soft skin, some having tough, some being biters or stranglers, etc etc, but their overall 'power' is still lower than most enemies. In fact, it's lower than fighting regular lions in explore, though it likely feels different because they have more components and you have to work out what their strengths and weaknesses are. Additionally, we actually lowered this again after your feedback. Success rates were pretty good in testing as well, even with low stat kings.

To Sum Up


We hope you guys will agree that whilst we might not get everything right to begin with, we have a good track record of doing what we can to make it right. Any time event tiers have been too high or seeming unfair, we have moved to change them or lower them for better balance. We don't do things just to upset players - what would the point of that be? We're trying our best, and sometimes we don't always get it right first time, but we endeavour to make sure we do what we can to *put* it right.

We'd just like to formally apologise for all the ups and downs over the past few days. There have been a lot of quick fire changes. A lot of upset forum posts, news comments and chat posts. We don't anticipate to make any further changes this year beyond one or two more tweaks and hope that things will settle, but we're taking everything on board for next year.

Thank you for your patience, and we appreciate the valuable feedback you have given.

* We have adjusted "empty" explore encounters in Celestial Explore to now reward between 5-10 Meteorite Shards or 1 Axion Core at random.

Feedback and Surveys


In light of recent events, we have chosen to be more strict in our enforcement of attacks on our staff team. The attacks on our staff team and comments directed at them have been unacceptable, cruel, and without constructive criticism. These attacks not only harm our staff team, but our players as well—we have received feedback that players have been afraid to give their opinions in the chat room and on the forums due to the fear of being turned on by their fellow players with these same attacks. Due in part to this, we have found it necessary to follow with the enforcement of limiting attacks on our staff team. These are not new rules, these are existing rules that are currently enforced within the Code of Conduct.

To offset this, we will also be introducing greater chances of feedback so that every voice can be heard. Today, we are introducing a new way for you to give us your feedback - anonymous surveys. These surveys are here to provide an equal opportunity for players to provide feedback, and allow all voices a chance to contribute to the game's growth. They will offer a safe way for everyone to be heard, and will be everyone's first and best place to supply their thoughts in a constructive way without fear of being criticised.

We have created a survey to receive feedback from everyone regarding July's event update, and the link can be found here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeL-aPtccdpLklsQ0C-V2oHbcBUrhy5spza1CT_Ga65Aarvmw/viewform


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Raffle Lioness


Congrats Karina (#212267)! You have won last week's Ebony lady, woo!
A new Madagascar lady with Clay Indri (NEW!), Vitiligo 8, and the thirteenth Shores of Burundi background is up for impressing in the Special Lioness area linked here!

Marking Note: Lilac Crackle, Noctis Indri, and Noctis Panther are now possible to apply via RMAs/Total Shuffle!

Poll Results - Thanks for your votes! August's new stud base will be named "Bandit".

There is no new poll this week, in light of the survey. We'd like the focus to be on the survey if possible.


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Next Development Update: August 13th!


No Friday goofy doodle comic this week, sorry!



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🐚samael (#235818)


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Edited on 09/07/21 @ 15:36:20 by Sen🌌 (#235818)

savior 🏹 (#229737)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:11:14
Honestly, I love the new event!! It's really cool

I love this and site and the mods so much, this is an amazing SIM experience and I love it so much. I know you mods are working incredibly hard to make everyone have a beautiful and enjoyable time on Lioden. The event is one of the funnest parts of this site, and just because it's not "as good"(not imo) as the past July event, nobody should criticize it.



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Rainbow Chips (Clean
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2021-07-09 15:11:16
im so excited for this event to be developed further- I'm in love with the current concept already!



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Icestar (#72469)

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2021-07-09 15:15:06
Thank you! I look forward to the new type of the event :O I loved the last one too xD



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RedRarebit (#33862)

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2021-07-09 15:16:24
I would be interested to know as well if results of the survey would be made public as well, so that we can see what is being said and not simply be told what is being received? Transparency and all, I mean. Dunno how well that would work though.



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Snowleopards66 (#151379)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:16:42
I’m glad and very happy you guys took the comments seriously and actually made adjustments Other than the problems I had said before, I’m really enjoying July. This is the first July I’ve ever participated in and I really like the arts and decors and celestial lioness, they’re all so pretty

Also, I’m very sorry that people were being rude to y’all. They’re just people who were trying to cause trouble. We all still love you guys and we get that some times things go wrong and it’s good you guys are fixing them



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Edited on 09/07/21 @ 15:17:07 by Snowleopards66[Back!] (#151379)

oliver! [G2 🥧] (#163090)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:16:46
i would also like to ask;
will the people who spent money to get the 15k sb be reimbursed in some way, if the apps come back and are lowered drastically in price? i know of quite a few people who bought a lot of moneys' worth of gb for the apps



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Empress Tansy (#54105)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:21:29
I've been playing since 2015. The July event has been my all-time favorite and the highlight of my LioDen year; HOWEVER, all good things do come to an end. If we have come to a natural conclusion to the Apedemak storyline, it makes sense to retire the event (I'd be happy if the storyline was to be stored in the Wiki to read for old times' sake). There are going to be bugs/needed improvements when new things launch. Staff seems like they are trying to figure them out and have been making changes. I disagree with some of the above comments about how all criticism- even harsh- is still criticism that should be listened to. If there have been truly cruel comments that were not constructive, that is destructive and demoralizing. The staff are human and have human emotions. No matter how unhappy anyone is with the new event, they should still take time to choose their words more carefully. Next year will be better.



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Also Perseflora (G2
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2021-07-09 15:21:42
Again, I don't think people disagreeing with the changes that were made to make the event inaccessible counts as "vitriol". I think this community has an enormous problem with criticism if asking Lioden to consider their non-paying players is considered shocking. On the survey I see the only options for the apps are SB or AC, which either we have to pay for or we have to grind for. Supremely disappointed in this update and how Lioden has chose to go about it. Beautiful artwork but I don't see how that hides their choices. I didn't want to have to leave Lioden for July but it looks as though I will be, since they've excluded their non-paying players who don't wish to grind endlessly.



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Kaliyana (#11505)

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2021-07-09 15:32:20
@Also Perseflora; Most of the event applicators have to be bought some way. Most are in event currency with the exception of January that has a a few SB applicators that you can buy. The only applicators that are free from events come from the events storyline as a reward for finishing it. Since there's no storyline yet for this year it makes sense that there would be no free apps this year.

None of the event applicators require you to pay for GB with real-life money to obtain, so I'm honestly a little confused by what you mean with "I think this community has an enormous problem with criticism if asking Lioden to consider their non-paying players is considered shocking. On the survey I see the only options for the apps are SB or AC, which either we have to pay for or we have to grind for. "

All in all I think this event is going to be a lot of fun, and I'm so sorry to see the community I used to love so much turning the way it has. I really hope that going forward the community starts recognizing that there are other humans behind the screen, with feelings the same as their own. It saddens me to recall the community back when I joined in 2013 and compare it to what is happening now. Its grown exponentially but its also just gotten a little toxic and that's disheartening.



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Edited on 09/07/21 @ 15:32:59 by Kaliyana [G2 3xRos Cracked] (#11505)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:32:30
I think the event is wonderful, sure adjustments had to be made but it's a work in progress and not everything comes out smooth as butter. No one is perfect and there will always be bumps in the road. Thank you staffers, for putting in such hard work.

On another basis, I've been wanting to stop playing, not due to the event or the crack down on the code of conduct. But because of the players, it often gets quite nasty in chat- toxic and verbally abusive to other players, the event and the decisions of the mod team. I disagree with the "Even hard- criticism should be considered" due to it bordering hate and just ugliness.

You can't please everyone, though. The event, in time will flesh out and be right along side the others. But it requires people to have a open mind and to be patient :>

Thanks you staff for standing strong, it's deeply appreciated



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Mirenoch (#124397)


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2021-07-09 15:34:08
Is there a way to take the survey without having to get a google account ? Or maybe I am missing something but the "Sign in to continue" box wont go away.

Edit: Apparently you do have to get a google account to take the survey, which doesn't really make it available for everyone. :\



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Edited on 10/07/21 @ 12:40:25 by Mirenoch (#124397)

Rue Nightingale (#221043)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:37:17
Newsssssssss



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FlameHeart (#233839)

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Posted on
2021-07-09 15:45:44
I like to see the anonymous survies (I know how hard it is to speak up, especially with a fear of rejection), and I am grateful you all are listening to feedback.

If anything, I would like to suggest that the drop rate of MS in regular Explore be increased. It's okay if it's not acceptable.



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Also Perseflora (G2
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2021-07-09 15:52:06
I'm not sure where you're confused, person who felt the need to @ me unnecessarily: most event apps do have to be bought but they should be bought with an accessible event currency. This is where they've excluded non-paying players as AC is only accessible by grinding and SB is accessible through buying GB in the mass amounts at the prices they've set even the basic storyline apps for. We're allowed to have an opinion. Why did the new currency need to come into play at all beyond copying Wolvden? MS is a perfectly fine system, but they want to up charge us by making us grind for AC. I'm allowed to have my opinion and my opinion is that this "rehaul" is just a Wolvdenesque test run to see if they can get away with the same amount of grinding here as they do there.



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Edited on 09/07/21 @ 15:52:43 by Also Perseflora (G3 Sutekh) (#213947)



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