Posted by OVERHAUL: Raffle/Special Lionesses (200+!!)

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2021-10-09 17:14:08
I searched all topics and only came up with one that was vaguely similar, so here we go!

This is a complete and total overhaul of the weekly Raffle/Special Lionesses! I'll not only be putting in my own ideas, but I'll link associated suggestions as well.

Please note that anything listed SUGGESTION is from other players and while to be taken into consideration, they are things I may not necessarily agree with 100%! However, they'll be added for the admins to think about regardless. ^^

An Overview


For a long time now, I've thought that RLs were... lacking. A good many of them look very similar to one another, and there's always been a touch of drama around them, especially when they introduce completely new bases, markings or marking slots. Sometimes, RLs go to inactive accounts - sometimes, they go to accounts that don't spread the markings/base/etc, for whatever reason they may have. Which is fine, to some extent! The RL is theirs to do with what they will.

I've also found some of the designs to be same-y and lackluster. Special lionesses are supposed to be unique, rare, and - as the name suggests - special! I understand that a lot of folks like natural markings and natural looks, and that's okay! But with the way things are, the number of RLs that look almost identical in golds and creams is outweighing those that look more unique.

So! I want to create an overhauled RL system that caters to everyone, and completely avoids the sour tastes that a lot of folks get. It will address not only the method of spreading marks, skins, eyes, bases, etc etc more freely, but also give some ideas on how to make more unique-looking RLs alongside natural ones, and keep the drama out for good!

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Number of RLs


Inspired by this topic and this topic, I suggest we up the number of Raffle Lionesses from three to five a week in addition to further changes noted below. One a week serving a community of hundreds of thousands of members is growing too much to deal with; especially with brand-new colors in brand-new slots! It may take months or years for a marking to spread if something that doesn't have that mark never gets kinged.

I suggest one of these RLs stay natural; creams and golds, blended markings, low opacities. One should be bolder and brighter, with non-natural colors and markings. They should however SHARE the trait or traits we want to spread; the new-slot or new-color markings, bases, skin/eye color, etc. Everything else about them should be different. More on that below.

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: And perhaps only one RL per week could be entered for per account, so that it evens things out a little? :o

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: how about two per week, where players can choose which one to attempt to impress, or alternating between one and two each week?

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Appearances


RLs are meant to be unique, unlike any other lion on the site; truly special! However, one thing I've noticed is that - in recent years, RLs have very very few (if any) markings that are not BO. Raffle and event marks are great, but there are only so many of them, and there's only so much you can do with them to make a design truly look interesting and unique, without copying what's come before.

I suggest opening up RLs to more types of markings, as well as eyes and skin! Perhaps set a limit on 5 BO markings, and have the rest be whatever suits the design most. More BO markings can be added, AS LONG AS they contribute to the design being unique, especially when we get more BO marking shapes! Focus more on the overall aesthetic of the lion, and less on how much value it may carry! Do not be afraid to use Tier 0/1, piety, or RMA marks if it adds to the appeal of the RL's appearance.

For having three or more RLs a week with at least one rare/semi-rare, or new marking/base/eye/skin color, these RLs should share at LEAST one rare trait among them. However, everything else should go into making the design unique and stand out among at least three different 'types' of RL:

- natural colors and blendy markings; reds, creams, golds, whites, low opacities.

- bolder colors and markings, higher opacities; non-natural traits

- any others - from #3 to #5 - should be wildcards! could be either or, or a median.

As long as there's one for both usual categories RLs commonly fall into, I'm sure all parts of the community will have something to enjoy.

SUGGESTION FROM VERA: (not exact wording! but the suggestion is Vera's!) Use MORE bases. Current numbers: in this google doc. Could use more variety, and use little-seen raffle/combo/etc bases more, AS LONG AS the variety is balanced.

Weekly Raffle Lionesses: Designers


Currently, I believe there is only one person doing RL designs. The designs are usually very good! But as I stated before, there's only so much one person can do. Should RLs be expanded to three, four, or five a week, I suggest one of the following methods be taken to cope with the increase in design, and add a little more variety between designs:

- bring in two or three alt designers a month from trusted individuals either from the userbase that mods can vouch for, or from mods themselves who are known to be good designers (please do not choose the ones that designed the maneaters this year I beg you)

- perhaps have a staff board who goes over submitted designs and suggest tweaks before release

SUGGESTION FROM AGGY:
- reopen player submissions BUT ONLY anonymous submissions through modbox

- if player designs are reopened, allow for tweaking to occur based on staff oversight to make sure a design not only fits the requirements, but can also be used in a way to refine them enough so that one single person cannot throw hands over a design they made that they didn't get

- IF player designs are reopened, be very heavy-handed in banning over RL harassment; a zero tolerance policy must be upheld

Weekly Raffle STUDS


Inspired by this topic, but a new take on the idea similar to Wolvden's raffle studs!

A single stud either once a week, or once a month, with a minimum of TWO rare/semi-rare BO marking, base, or trait and a maximum of THREE to promote spread.

These are fully designed, with other markings that are generally tier 0 or tier 1, but can also be rarely piety or other tier 3, maybe tier 6. Bases would likely be uncommon or rare unless one of the traits is a BO or event base! These studs can have anywhere from 3 extra (non-BO) to 9 extra (non-BO) markings on them, whatever fits the design. NO ROSETTES. However, this is NOT to be a way to introduce new markings, only spread failing BO markings or other rare traits!

Each member can breed one lioness to this stud, guaranteed on the first try. However, like event studs, they cannot have items used on them - and so actually passing whatever rare traits they have is completely up to RNG.

Another, very optional idea: raffle studs are open to all players regardless of impression! Prices are discussed below.

The rare traits on these studs can work in tandem with the RLs of the week, be based on weeks prior, or past RLs that have since had markings or other traits die with them. They could even be month-themed. Lots of fun to be had with those designs!

Here is an example of a fully designed raffle stud; two BO marks (though I didn't check slots just for this example), and the rest common/piety marks that fit the design!

SUGGESTION BY BILBY:
I'd honestly bump the range to 5-8 BO traits, if it's including the potential for base/traits; the bar for "I'd spend currency to breed to it" is 2-3 traits between eyes/skin/mane/colour/base (uncommon/rare/maybe an extremely struggling special like pearl?) and 3 bo marks?

^ For the admins' consideration, in case my suggestion isn't taken!

SUGGESTION BY BAPHOMET:
It should be similar to the August Maneaters, no breeding items allowed. The only way to bypass that is with a DU that has already been bred with a buffie in the past. So there is no grantee you get the eye color, skin color, and a certain marking with the use of a gnawrock. It should purely be a RNG chance.

It should happen ONCE every month and replace the week's RL, meaning no RL that week and the stud will replace her for the week. I feel like it would be a little breaking to have a RL stud and a RL the same week. I really do like the idea of having a RL stud but the fee for studding should be a little higher than normal but not too high where players have to struggle to get the currency since the idea is to make the markings more widespread. Instead of currency, could get monkey teeth another use. I believe 100 monkey teeth would be a good fee, doing the hard quest every day for 15 days would grant just enough monkey teeth for the stud fee. I feel like monkey teeth would be a way to make sure the markings don't go to inactive players, it requires players to roll at least 15 days out of the month. Currency is somewhat easy to get and you can pause your rollovers and still collect currency.


Raffle-Entry Pricing


This is a suggestion inspired by Dalton!

Instead of 50SB flat, one way to change up the way special lionesses are raffled off is to have each ask for a different price. One may ask for ten cubs under a year old; another may ask for 10 uses of a toy or food. Perhaps two or three cave building materials, or one of those super-common patrol or explore decors. 50SB could pop up time to time, as well! Nothing too extravagant, but make it a little more varied to dive into! All of the RLs should have differing things to ask,

These could have neat flavor texts as well - perhaps the one looking for cubs is a mother who lost hers, and the one who needs skulls collects them. Maybe the one needing cave materials is building a den for her sister! Lots of potential here.

Raffle Lioness/Lion Lore


Stemming off of the idea of flavor text, I LOVE the idea Wolvden had where the raffle stud wolves come from their own specific place. This is completely optional and only for story things, but there could be a bit of info about the pride they come from, where they live, the lives they left behind. Wouldn't need to create a whole fake pride account, but a few blurbs here and there one can cycle through saying a bit on what kind of life the RL had before.

Weekly Raffle Lioness Drawing


There are many, many RLs that end up going to accounts that log in, join the raffle, and never log in again. The number of special lionesses sitting on inactive accounts is enough to make a grown man cry! Therefore, I suggest the following restrictions to how RLs are drawn and given out to give much better chances on them landing on active accounts:

- if an RL is drawn, it must go to an account that has rolled the day before drawing, and that account must roll the day after the draw as well, so that there is much less of a chance for it to go to an inactive account

- if the account fails both of these, the RL either skips it or is redrawn

- I suggest ending the RL raffles on Thursday instead of Friday for this reason, so that it has a chance to find a proper account before it's announced on the news post

While this isn't foolproof - as there's no real way of ABSOLUTELY and completely avoiding RLs sitting on inactive accounts - it might up the chances of a special lioness with great traits going to folks who will help spread her markings/base/etc instead of allowing a particular new or rare trait to stagnate and die.

SUGGESTION BY TERRINTHIA: I feel like a day is too short tbh, as much as I hate seeing them go into inactive accounts. Probably a week of not rolling would be the lowest I could really agree with.

SUGGESTION BY WHALES0NG: A possible solution for the inactive accounts issue could be some sort of acceptance system, perhaps? Say a winner has 72 hours to roll and press a button to accept their RL before the drawing is re-rolled and passed to the next person drawn, like how it is done if a winner has no free territory to accept her. There would definitely have to be no way for the first winner to know that they’d originally drawn and missed their chance, though, again just like the full territory issue.

RELATED SUGGESTION: here!

The End!


That's all, folks! If you read through this whole rambling thing, you get a virtual medal! Please leave your thoughts and opinions below, and make sure to comment along with your vote!



This suggestion has 262 supports and 61 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/01/23 @ 18:56:02 by Verridith [g1 stellar/charred] (#407)

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2021-10-14 06:14:34
support!

Where do I start? This is an incredible suggestion, and very well thought out. I'm unsure whether I agree with five per week, but hey, if it helps spread markings and make sure no hoarding occurs, why not?
My favourite is definitely the 3 different ones; being able to enter only for one per account. This gives every player a fair choice, and definitely makes it more fair for everyone entering :]



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Edited on 15/10/21 @ 08:15:00 by rival 🌇 it/he (#108477)

Kuron (#174267)

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2021-10-14 07:35:27
It's a nice suggestion, but no support for primarily one reason.
"I suggest we up the number of Raffle Lionesses from three to five a week"

I feel this goes against quite literally everything a Raffle lioness is for. They're meant to be limited, and 20 a month seems too many, like, wayy too many. At this rate you'd be going against everything you said previously about wanted them to be more unique and 'special'. With that many pumping out, just makes me wonder about the effects it'll have on the economy of BO, the new bases, marks, and such, and even perhaps how they plan to make them all differ with about 240 RL's a year. Overtime this new system could just turn the pool for the worse honestly.

Made this quickly, will update with more details for my no support.



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2021-10-14 09:13:59
Hmm, that is quite a few of them, I agree.. how about two per week, where players can choose which one to attempt to impress, or alternating between one and two each week?



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Terrinthia [G1] (#97101)

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2021-10-14 09:19:38
I like two each week! Not sure if I'd prefer being able to impress both or just one. Both seem like fair options imo



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Verridith [g1
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2021-10-14 09:58:19
Will add as a suggestion!



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2021-10-14 10:47:57
@Terrinthia

My rationale behind suggesting only being able to attempt to impress one lioness each week is to compensate for the massive amount of players entering, to kind of even out the odds a little!

Everyone entering for just one lioness would mean that there’d be a smaller number of players attempting to impress each and increase an individual’s chance of winning!



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Kuron (#174267)

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2021-10-14 10:50:07
@Whalesong

That’s quite an interesting suggestion! Might I add onto that, and say 2 per week with an option to choose gives a great chance for lore there! We don’t see enough of that ahah. Whether its a small story or a short sentence to describe whatever about them, itd be nice(:

(Not thread person, just a voter lol)



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Edited on 14/10/21 @ 10:50:43 by Kuron (#174267)

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2021-10-14 12:23:47
@Kuron
That sounds really nice, that would be fun! :D



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2021-11-08 11:53:11
I definitely agree with doing 2 per week

A random suggestion for the first week of April, the RLs could be very random and maybe have a green base, it would be interesting if the whole community had a chance to work together and make one RL



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2021-11-08 13:52:49
I think more RLs per week is not necessarily a bad thing because although RLs are indeed meant to be special, they also serve a specific function: to distribute new raffle-exclusive traits (markings, bases, possibly other traits planned in the future) to the entire userbase. Other than someone getting incredibly lucky with RMAs (which is a very rare occurrence) RLs are the only way through which new raffle markings enter the game. In the current 1-per-week system, new markings often get stuck in limbo for weeks or months at a time because the only RL that has them ends up on an inactive account or simply doesn't breed enough cubs. So clearly 1 lioness per week is not efficient for distributing raffle-exclusive traits to a userbase of nearly 250k people. Doubling it to 2 per week is definitely an improvement but I don't think even more would hurt either.

I've seen other threads suggest that out of (say) 5 RLs a week, only 1 is up to the current quality of uniqueness, while the others have fewer special traits apart from the one trait that is intended to be spread. This keeps the special experience while also allowing the trait in question to be spread more easily. I think either that or combining the system with raffle studs as described in OP is more reasonable.



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Verridith [g1
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2021-11-12 06:14:25
@Fern
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

But really though. Their purpose is entirely lost if the marking never takes off, or dies a sad, inactive death. We need change.



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2022-01-13 16:38:33
For the RL stud idea

It should be similar to the August Maneaters, no breeding items allowed. The only way to bypass that is with a DU that has already been bred with a buffie in the past. So there is no grantee you get the eye color, skin color, and a certain marking with the use of a gnawrock. It should purely be a RNG chance.

It should happen ONCE every month and replace the week's RL, meaning no RL that week and the stud will replace her for the week. I feel like it would be a little breaking to have a RL stud and a RL the same week. I really do like the idea of having a RL stud but the fee for studding should be a little higher than normal but not too high where players have to struggle to get the currency since the idea is to make the markings more widespread. Instead of currency, could get monkey teeth another use. I believe 100 monkey teeth would be a good fee, doing the hard quest every day for 15 days would grant just enough monkey teeth for the stud fee. I feel like monkey teeth would be a way to make sure the markings dont go to inactive players, it requires players to roll atleast 15 days out of the month. Currency is somewhat easy to get and you can pause your rollovers and still collect currency.



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Verridith [g1
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2022-01-13 17:16:24
I'll add your contribution to the first post when I get back on my computer!

That being said, I personally don't agree with having a raffle stud replacing an RL for a week - I see the logic behind your suggestion so I'm going to include it! But my personal views are that there should be more options, not the same or fewer. ^^

100 monkey teeth is a bit high though. I'd rather go with sb, personally, or an item trade in like WD's RSs!



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2022-01-29 19:06:54
I support most of this, just not two of the things mentioned.

Ten cubs is a lot if you don't mass-breed, far more expensive than 50SB or any of the other suggested prices, as you'd have to buy most of them.

I also don't like the idea of limiting who can win raffles beyond what's already there. There's been times when my schedule has been so hectic I can't roll aside from on weekends. Should I be excluded from winning because I couldn't roll on Wednesday or Friday? It'd be incredibly unfair if the game let me waste 50SB every Saturday only to give me a 0% chance of winning.

I've seen it suggested elsewhere to have the winner claim the lioness, and if they don't get to it in a week, the winner gets rerolled. That I feel a fairer way to combat the lioness going to someone who will never roll again. Although they still might log in to receive it and never roll again, and it'd hurt people who play sporadically but do come back. So really I think the way it is should be left alone. Already the criteria is 1) being involved enough with the site to achieve Dreamboat (which takes a couple of days), and 2) log in at some point during the week and press a button on the Raffle Lioness page. So we know they've played the game a good amount and have been active that week, which seems like fair criteria. (On WD I won a Raffle breeding right as I took an unexpected hiatus and came back to my chance having passed, so I know how much it sucks to win but not get your prize due to inactivity.)

The rest, though, I like and support. Multiple Raffle lionesses, having different themes from each other that appeal to different types of players, multiple designers, studs anyone can stud to, and lore. All of those sound like great improvements!



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2022-02-03 18:14:01
I like this idea but I just dont agree with having 5BO marks minimum, even if it makes them look more unique, the value of them may plummet and there are lots of people who like to king raffle lionesses or lions that have full BO qualities.
9-10BO raffle lionesses would most likely become even more uncommon since many special lionesses will probably be designed half with applicator markings. I would rather they focus on coming out with new raffle markings/bases more often than applicators. If I recall there's only like 6 actual raffle bases, that is so few compared to the numerous combos and apps they created.



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