Posted by [Feb/Mar] Unknown Heritage Studs in the Event

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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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Posted on
2022-07-07 04:27:28
I'm really enjoying the maneaters as I'm really enjoying breeding low gen / heritageless animals, but it made me think - how come these are only around once per year? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been on a two year hiatus!

But what if these studs were added for the February event - it is Valentines after all then!

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Or, as an alternative, add them to the March anti-poaching event when there are fewer features currently in place and less valuable event items?

This would allow for new breeding projects and challenges, for example, unknown sire breeding!

These could work similarly to the maneater studs with a random daily male to breed with OR they could otherwise appear randomly in explore as a mid-chance encounter and you could allow one in-heat female to breed with him if found.

EDIT BASED ON FEEDBACK: Based on feedback which suggests people don't want to have to spend lots of currency on a studding and wanted something that wasn't just a copy of the Maneaters and to keep the cubs more valuable and less common, this might work best as a mid-low chance explore encounter - if you stumbled across an unknown stud as an explore encounter, you could have an option to breed one of your in heat lionesses there and then to an unknown stud

This would allow a roughly 150-180 day gap between the end of the August event and the start of the February event, which would equate to around 12 (or 15 based on the edit) years - in other words, it would allow every lioness no matter when she's born the chance to breed with an unknown male once in her life without having to freeze her for half a year! Plus, it would allow August and Feb/March born cubs to breed with another unknown sire, rather than freezing them.

Presumably, the designs for the studs would probably be more charming and suave than the maneater studs of August if implemented in February. The studs could have a mixture of current event bases and perhaps one new breed-only base rather than adding in a new base applicator to the shops, since there are already 39 February apps and 20 march apps.

Potential benefits
- Adds a new explore encounter or feature, especially to March which often needs more love
- Allows a new form of breeding: unknown heritage sires
- Allows unknown-sired cubs born in August to breed to new unknown NPC studs without having to freeze them for half a year
- Would make new March bases rarer (current March bases are often very cheap year-round)
- Provides an immediate covering rather than waiting around for a player
- Makes clean breeding easier without having to go through heritage
- Provides an easier way for new players to get into breeding valuable bases without having to grind for event currency
- Bases/markings/manes/etc are presumably already in the works anyway
- Is only twice a year so would still be rare and presumably could have a high lock requirement so it didn't open until half way through the month/etc
- Wouldn't compete with groupies as is not focused on G1/heritageless specifically

Reasons raised for against
- Gen1 lions are already common
- February/March are applicator-focused not breed only
- February items are expensive - why waste funds on this? (Could be overcome if an explore encounter)
- February has enough on (March may be a better suit)
- Extra coding for a new feature
- Does not support traditional non-clean breeders
- No story attached to them (could be added but would be a lot more work)



This suggestion has 78 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/01/23 @ 17:24:13 by a Moderator

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Ros [Side] (#80015)

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Posted on
2022-07-16 10:41:31
Any thoughts on this? Would love to know why people who voted no thought this would be a bad addition - I can't really see any downside and it would be an optional extra to the current event? But would love the feedback



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🏳️‍🌈 Sol
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Posted on
2022-08-09 06:07:38
It's personally a toss up for me - August is the only event with the stud system, but there are several events with obtainable lions - you can actually get them and have them in your pride, not just breed with them. February, April, and September have Event NCLs - no heritage girls with event-only marks. And in April, the main storyline reward is the main character of the storyline, no heritage and absolutely chuck full of exclusive marks. May has the groupies that you can claim. July has the celestial raffle, and I think the fun part about August is that the studs are a unique event. February already has the event NCLs, so I don't really see a reason to add a stud system as well. Plus, making them NCLs makes them just a liiittle bit more challenging to get their marks and a little more fun trying to hunt for them, not like wasting 600 CB or 200 DB to get absolutely no results

Links:
February Event NCLs

Link to April Wenet Cousins
Link to April Event NCLs
(They are two different pools of generation, Wenet Cousins will have all 10 marking slots filled and randomly generated from the pool in the link, April Event NCLs are regular NCLs with a few new markings/eyes that you can only get from them. There is overlap , but technically they are two different pools of lionesses)

May Groupie Bases
May Groupie Eyes
(They had two separate sections for groupies, figured I'd include both :) )

July Celestial Raffle

September Event NCLs

Edit: I'm not saying it's a bad idea! There is however potentially a better place to put this, maybe March (only a month after February) where it's a similar style to the August events, even the theme of Maneater tracks :)



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 06:10:06 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)

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2022-08-09 06:14:14
Hi @Solarah! I'm not sure if you've maybe missed the point of this suggestion as I'm focusing on studs, not dams. I agree there are plenty of options for heritageless females, frankly you can literally get them at any time in explore as NCLs. But there's no way to get a heritageless cub through breeding. but when breeding to the maneaters, they get an unknown sire and so are heritageless on the sire's side.

But at the minute, the only way you can have an unknown stud sire a cub is through the august event. And any cubs born in the August event will be dead by March if rolled daily or most days. The thought of this was that if it was in february, you could *just* get one breeding with an august-born cub with another unknown male. Otherwise, your only options are freeze it for a whole year or breed to a heritageless stud - but obviously the cub loses that heritageless nature in doing so. I.e., it would then have a named sire rather than an unknown sire.

Does that make sense? I think putting it in March would make it a bit redundant as then you still need to freeze the cubs anyway, whereas in February with the love theme, you could just about do it without having to freeze an August-born cub.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 06:17:03 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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Posted on
2022-08-09 06:18:45
I think male groupies remove the need for this to be a thing, though I may have entirely missed the point here.



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Posted on
2022-08-09 06:21:23
You phrased your point as a desire for heritageless lions, I went based off of that. I'm not sure what the appeal of low heritage/heritageless cubs is, so if you could explain that maybe it would make more sense to adjust an entire event around it. But at the minute, I think it would clog the February event too much.

Edit: I agree completely with Kosmelle - the May groupies are both Male and Female, and that creates a heritageless male lion you could King if that was your desire.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 06:23:09 by 🏳️‍🌈 Solarah (#101607)

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Posted on
2022-08-09 06:23:06
Heritageless cubs aren't possible anyway, and there's really no need for them. The groupie market is already atrocious - it's been 4 months and groupie prices are still 1 GB.



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Posted on
2022-08-09 07:18:48
Ah, I see! It's just something that I personally really like - being able to breed to an unknown stud is just something I like to see and I feel it gives more opportunities for clean breeders, while also giving the August cubs the chance to continue an unknown sire heritage line rather than them dying out before the chance to breed them with an unknown stud comes back around. I like the groupies, but there's something exciting about breeding to a maneater stud rather than getting a random groupie that could be anything.

I do agree the groupies are good for clean breeding, my male is an ex-groupie I believe too. But breeding sire-less cubs with another unknown sire would allow people to continue the unknown breeding lines as part of projects while offering a much rarer (and thus potentially more in-demand) alternative to just adding in a new February base applicator.

It wouldn't be an entire event adjustment as opposed to just an extra feature. Which is why I mentioned adding it as - for example - a random explore encounter, so it wouldn't be too much of an issue. The Aphrodisia event would stay the same, but some suave new unknown males would just join the event too - maybe the lore could be that they were attracted by the abundance of pheremones?

Alternatively it could come back in March, which often seems an under loved event, but it would somewhat miss the point as the Maneater cubs would be dead by then.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 07:26:41 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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2022-08-09 07:26:08
I'm not sure, that seems like a really needless project. I don't see the point in having no father recorded when the mother would have heritage. Seems like something you may take up as a project, which can be achieved through freezing accounts.



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2022-08-09 07:29:05
That's fair enough if you don't see the point. But other people presumably would like the new goal idea from the voting and there's more of a hype for the man eaters than just for some new base apps, it would seem. I'm not suggesting to remove any of the current February content. I think it's just a fun new addition and challenge which would be completely optional, rather than adding a new base applicator which will rapidly devalue during the month, and isn't that hard to implement since it's fully coded already for the man eaters.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 07:29:25 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)

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Posted on
2022-08-09 07:29:36
Right you could just send the cubs to a side account for a month (February and March are right next to each other), but changing an entire event because a couple people really like heritageless cubs doesn't seem necessary to me



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2022-08-09 07:30:14
Just as an aside - the whole concept of clean breeding is a needless project since there is no in-game effect



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Posted on
2022-08-09 07:30:53
@Solarah Why is it changing an entire event though? The event would be exactly the same. It's just a new feature?



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2022-08-09 07:31:26
I agree with Solarah and Kosmelle - this seems really unnecessary. If we have studs in February that are the same as the August studs, I don't see how that would create low gen lions, considering the mother of these lions produced by the maneater will still be in the heritage, like Kosmelle said.



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2022-08-09 07:31:28
I personally like it, as someone who only keeps clean lions, having studs that I don't have to check like 20 rows of heritage to see if they are clean is amazing, along with not having to wait for the stud to be online, or the possibility of a stud rejecting the request, its just super convenient! You also cant stud with groupies unless they are made into someones king, so that doesn't really help.



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2022-08-09 07:33:55
@Luppiter - they wouldn't be the same, they'd be different bases and markings. It wouldn't create a low-gen lion but it would allow for a new challenge on low-gen breeding: lions with no recorded sire, which is much more challenging than just crowning or breeding a groupie or NCL to my mind.

@Dorian - that's my thought, and it's a simple already-coded way to add new rare bases rather than just adding new breed-only bases to my mind.



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Edited on 09/08/22 @ 07:35:34 by Dier ~ Gen1 ~ x6 Ros ~ 3K (#80015)







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