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 Rin ~ LPC (#21176) Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts  Posted on 2014-12-14 05:45:38 |
I see I had one supporter for my suggestions. I think revising them may help. The issues of too many lions, can't sell cubs, and the suggestion of random cubs dying in a litter and the matter of passing genes. 1) Yes, in nature cubs die. In nature though, lion litters are normally three to four cubs, sometimes two, rarely one or more than four. First time mothers, older or unhealthy lions are more likely to have smaller litters than healthy lions in their prime. 1a) Solution: average litter of three to four. And a fatality button on newborns only, this wouldn't cost the lion any energy and choosing the fatality button will give a random litter mate a stat point. If the player chooses to kill all the cubs, the lioness gets the stat point and comes into heat after 7 days instead of the usual 20. This doesn't create more cubs, but gives the breeding project more chances of getting the end goal results. 2) Passing on genes. This is currently so random, it's one reason why there are too many unsellable cubs. It seems the randomness is based on available markings/colors in the game rather than what the parents have. Yes, genetic combinations are random, so each offspring is slightly different from the parents and siblings. It is still based on the parents' genes. But in many cases in this game, ALL the cubs come out nothing like the parents. I'll give an example of a breeding I did for my project of getting quad panther/ rosette markings: I bred an onyx panther /rosette to an onyx panther/rosette. Two out of two cubs with no panther or rosette markings at all. 2a) Solution: the randomness is based solely on what the parents look like. If I bred my double panther/rosette to a panther/rosette male, I would expect at least one cub with a double/single combination of panther/rosette, and chances of double or single panther or rosette markings. A slight chance of a cub with no markings. 3) Which brings me to rosette. This marking has to be the most random and unnaturally acquired marking possible. Yes, it was meant as a challenge to figure out how to acquire it. Genes don't work that way. They are inherited, not bred through random circumstances. 3a) At the very least, give another hint or two on how to breed for this marking. This gene should be inherited like any other. I bred 5 lionesses to a rosette/panther male and got 10 cubs, not one with rosette. I did get some panther markings and some with no markings at all. |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-16 06:33:48 |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-17 02:35:21 |
I dont understand the meaning of the fatality button. But I am more than sure that the developers would never make high litters the average due to the already overflooded cub market. As for random genetics: I like it the way it is. I like the unpredictability and the surprise, I like to have diversity in my pride. What you are suggesting would enable people to breed highly sought after and rare bases/markings in a snap. That would bring down their value. If the developers give a hint, everyone will try to breed it that way and there goes your goal of selling them for a nice price. These markings are sought after because they are rare and hard to breed. This would backfire.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-17 03:12:32 |
Short replay now, longer one later as I am leaving on a trip shortly. As the game is right now, I may never reach my project goal, even if playing for the next 10 years straight. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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ChaosDeath🐱 (#2790)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-17 03:52:57 |
The genes thing on the fence about, because the rosette argument. Rosette strikes me as supposed to be some sort of genetic mutation, and is meant to be random and fun and help the market. And while I agree some tweaking needs to be done, I feel like if it's as straightforward as you propose it will just help kill the market more. The button though, sure. That seems fair enough. :3 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 03:15:30 |
@ Axel, actually, regardless of litter sizes, you are going to get a flood of cubs because the only current incentive is to sell them. If there is an incentive to chase them, litter sizes won't matter. You could still use the chase button rather than a fatality button, just with cubs, a stat point is rewarded to a littermate. As for genetics, my lions will all die of old age before I reach my goal. Which brings us to either make genetics a little more realistic, or at the very least, if you chase an entire litter, the female comes into heat after 7 days. Again, if given an incentive to chase cubs with a reward, I think more players will chase cubs rather than try and sell them. I do agree, flooding the market with desirable lions brings down their value. It comes back to giving incentives to chase cubs, which would mean more 3-4 cub litter sizes. I just chased one cub born today and will most likely chase the other two even though they are triple panthers, as I was breeding for quad panther. See, I have no desire to add to the already flooded cub market. As for rosette. it's not supposed to be a mutation and any player can get it. The problem is, to my knowledge, no one has figured out the trick to getting them. when it is figured out, the market is going to get flooded with them as everyone who likes the marking will be breeding. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 03:30:11 |
It would be nice if we could just delete extra posts. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 19/01/15 by Rin ~ SSP (#21176) |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 03:30:14 |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 03:30:16 |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 03:30:16 |
My breeding project is for lions with quad panther/rosette markings. This is a very difficult goal and very time consuming. I most likely won't reach with this generation of lions and maybe not even the next with the current way genetics work. Each generation of lions last half a year, with females being able to breed approximately once every two weeks, realtime of course. Considering that I've gotten one rosette cub from all the breeding I've done(and chased many cubs, as I said before, I don't want to add to the flood of unwanted cubs) since I started breeding for them when the marking first came out(all my other rosettes I bought), It will take a long time to reach my goal. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 04:04:41 |
Still no support. As I see it the fatality button and the normal high litter sizes would be more about giving stats to lions. A stat factory. A lioness this way can just... give birth to a ton of cubs in her lifetime and get a lot of additional stat points. After all, the fatality button can be left out and simply we could keep 1 cub litters as the normal. Plus, think about it... Mass breeders have no uses for stats. They would merrily keep producing 3-4 cubs per litter per lioness every 3 days and flood the market even more. They would be the most happy about this change. An incentive for chasing was already suggested and is considered by the developers. And that is simply to bring the lioness sooner in heat if all her cubs are chased. No stats. You just get to breed sooner which is enough reward. As for the projects: Some markings are rare for a reason. otherwise they could be produced normally. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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mau | g1 6k frontal 3ros cel (#32469) 
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 04:08:52 |
No support, I agree with Axel on this. It was your prerogative to undertake a quad panther rosette project, and it's difficult for a reason.Rather assuredly possible, though, considering there's a triple feline triple rosette lion already. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 18/01/15 by Xylise | Cozy Floof (#32469) |
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Whispermouse (#42554)
Terrifying View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-18 04:12:52 |
"Yes, it was meant as a challenge to figure out how to acquire it. Genes don't work that way. They are inherited, not bred through random circumstances." I have a problem with this statement here, its not true. Environmental factors do play a role in genotype versus phenotype. In nature, hormone levels in the womb, mothers substance abuse and things like that all affect offspring. Rosette doesn't necessarily have to operate like Mendelian inheritance. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rin ~ LPC (#21176)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-19 16:05:48 |
I didn't realize there were extra posts. Wasn't on my computer when I posted that. It was just a suggestion :) Axel, I have to say, I agree with you on the stats. I didn't think along those lines when I posted, I was only thinking on ways to encourage players to chase unwanted cubs rather than try to sell them. But what keeps mass breeders breeding when the market already has too many cubs? What incentive can they be given to stop breeding so much? Yes, it is my prerogative to undertake such a difficult breeding project. It's very frustrating however to breed four lions and have three one cub litters and one two cub litter with none of the cubs looking like either parent at all. Chase all the cubs and still wait 20 days to breed them again. Yeah, I know, I generalized. Yes, genes can be influenced by outside factors. Cheetahs with no spots, lionesses with manes. These are rare though. In general, offspring come out looking pretty much like the parents. As for rosette, again, its been said that it's available to anyone. All you have to do is figure it out. Remember, these are just suggestions born of frustration. If they're considered, great, if not fine. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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