I'd gladly give it a go, as long as it was just one species. C: I'd prefer lions, but caracals and servals are cool cats too. :> But lions naturally already have a social dynamic, but I'm just wondering, how much role would the lions' genders have on their Clan role? Would the Clan/Pride still be heavily female-skewed, but with rogue bands of males roaming around to fend off? Obvs, I prefer there be a coalition of 2~4 males rather than just the one that Lioden uses, since that's more realistic and all, plus it's just... easier. Whatever. Not sure what I'm rambling on about anymore. Just what exactly did you have in mind? :D

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Yes! That could be so cool! But I think I agree with Alche. I feel that lions would create a better society like thing

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Well, I was considering having a four-Clan system like the Warriors series, each with a different type of big cat heading it; one Clan would be totally lions, and the others would be other African cats, I was thinking of cheetahs and leopards for the two other clans, not sure about the third one.

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Oh. I'm not really as into those, since I really wouldn't see the Clans trying to interact. I mean, while lions and leopards can make hybrids in the case there's some forbidden drama, they're incredibly rare, infertile, deformed, and well... obvious. Cheetahs aren't even in the same genus as leopards and lions, though, ahaha. I couldn't even see them sharing the same beliefs, and if anything, their territories would have some big overlap since often they hunt in the same place, but different prey. If you wanted to do a fourth Clan, they'd have to be substantially smaller, either caracals, sand cats, servals, or normal cats. And I don't see them surviving a single war with the other Clans, lmao.

Not to bash the idea, since I've seen them work out before. I'm pretty sure there's even one going on now, as a matter of fact! It's just not my cup of tea, lol. Sorry! <3

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Well, I could also do four Clans where they're all different lion clans/prides. In fact, I see that working out better

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:D In that case, I'd gladly join, and help out, if you need it! Lions are pretty different from house cats, obviously, but we can fudge a lot of the differences to stay closer to normal warriors, but that's up to you really. :>

Namely, like I mentioned before, genders in cat colonies and lion prides are different (or at least, more obvious. Real cat colonies are actually matriarchal, kind of, established by sisters, mothers, and daughters living together with males who pass through! So already Warriors isn't entirely realistic lol) Gender does not need to play a role, but it's possible if you want to. Another thing off the top of my head would be age, probably. Unless cubs magically grow faster we may need to push back apprenticeship a little bit X3

In terms of Clan ideas... I don't have a lot right now, but one could be based on Tsavo lions, especially if you do decide to have gender be more important. Tsavo prides IRL are smaller than average, with males having almost no manes. They're very aggressive, actually and have *higher* testosterone than the average males. They usually hunt, along with the females. :>

I've not got much more for now, but since Warriors Clans are largely based around the territories in which they hunt, it may be helpful to just even look at the hunting territories around Lioden to get ideas for what kinds of Clans you'd want.

hope this helps xD Sorry I post so much!

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No it's fine! I actually like your input, it's quite helpful. Most of my knowledge on lions, as much as I love them, is very limited. I agree with having their pride-type be centered around where they hunt/live.

Warriors is a very unrealistic series, mostly noticeable in the fact that cats have religion and are in a highly structured society governed by laws xD so I'm not really worried about realism for this RP.

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Lol, sentience is the one thing I don't even think about anymore when it comes to realism, I'm just like, yeah, these cats talk and stuff, it's FIIIIINE.

But seriously though, I'm trying to imagine a pride that works like a clan with an even split of males walking around and am just like pbffff. It can still certainly work if you want it that way, especially if you want to keep the completely-unrealistic monogamy they use in the warriors series.

If it does help, since I did explain feral cat colony structure a bit, I'll go over real lion prides, just to get some ideas. With real lions, males usually form groups from 2-4 and roam the savannah alone, searching for prides that they can claim for themselves. Single lionesses never happen. They stay in the pride they are born in until they die. However, the same males do not necessarily stay with the same pride, because they have to fight to maintain their rights to breed. You almost never see a single lion with a pride. He just can't fend off the other males who come in groups. If a new group of males does take over the pride, whether by chasing off or killing the old males, they usually kill the cubs of the old males too, to force the females to go into heat earlier. :< Males, for the most part, do not hunt, with the exceptions of Tsavos. Their bodies are much thicker and broader, built to fight. In addition, their thick mane around their head, while very attractive to prospective females, results in them overheating much more quickly than females, so they cannot maintain sprints for long periods of time at all. Of course, when they are by themselves and do not have a pride of pretty ladies around, they can hunt. But it usually is much harder for them to get a meal. Then again, they have fewer mouths to feed.

Now, this doesn't have to be used at all, like I said, monogamy can work just fine and dandy! Like four prides got sick of the fighting and getting their cubs killed and were like 'nahnahnah, we're just gonna do our own thing,' which could be an interesting plot, cuz other prides would still be as they are, and there'd still be bands of daddy and baby killin' males looking to take over, though given the sheer numbers of the Clans, it'd probably be harder for them to do so. It could also be interesting for some sons to run away for some sort of drama.

However, it could also be a burden on the Clan to support so many males. Like, yes, they do protect the Clan from the rogue bands, but that could also result in a shortage of food, especially at a 1:1 ratio.

If the Clans are closer to real prides, though, and have 2~4 males in charge, part of 'wars' could be not just to take new territory, but also to take more mates for themselves, be it through kidnapping the other Clan's females or just killing the males and taking them, and the four Clans are in a constant state of flux and change. It would, however, mean that leadership would likely change paws more, and females would not be leaders... or would they?

As the only consistent form of leadership within a Clan, the Clans' females could rally behind a female leader, giving them their sense of identity, even when their pride changes paws between males.

Another thing I'd like to give a little thought to are medicine cats. Of course, in a monogamic society, they'd probably stay the celibate, spiritual ones close to StarClan. If we went with a polygamic society, however, the medicine cat could either be one of the males who drift in (perhaps the least dominant male), the lead female, or maybe her second in command? Not sure... Also, the herbs would be different in Africa but I don't know much about African botany sorry XD

I'm still thinking for the territories, right now. I do know that Tsavo lions are from the desert, where prey is scarce, hence the need to focus all their energy upon the hunts and be so aggressive, but I unfortunately don't have too much information otherwise, as most stuff I've read have been on default savannah prides. I may try some research on this xux

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I'll definitely be doing the research too, but I like what you've said so far. For hunting I was thinking that some of the warrior males would do hunting with the females, perhaps ones with smaller manes/body frames? And the larger males would be mostly for patrolling and possibly deputy. Honestly, IDGAF if it's monogamous or polygamous, as some of the cats in the Warriors series take on multiple mates at a time (Tigerstar, for example) and it isn't seen as strange or inherently bad (except that his second mate was a rogue).

I like the "four prides got tired of fighting and killing their cubs" idea!

For medicine cats, I'd like to keep it where they're mateless/celibate.

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hm, good point. I think with your idea, it'd be safe to have higher male ratios, yeah. <3 We can probably keep most things exactly like warriors then. :3 I think male leaders would be more common in a stable society then, especially if most of the deputies would be big guys, but there might be a female leader every now and again. Medicine cats, I see going either way with gender at this point, but since a lot of males wouldn't be good for hunting, they could be more likely to be the medicine cats too. I also would see maned females being especially popular for medicine cats (kinda like how two-spirits/trans folk were considered the best shamans way back when), however. But maned females are a rare occurrence in both real life and Lioden, so they'd not be too common. Just considered closer to StarClan/better medicine cats.

I think I have some rough equivalencies for Clans right now, too. very, very rough. They'd not be called the same names as the ones in the series, lol, just to help with paralleling/getting ideas.

Desert - ShadowClan, because prey-poor territory and hella-aggressive people. Of course, they'd have less mane than average, and a lot leaner.
Marsh/River(?) - RiverClan. I doubt there'd be big enough fish in the water to feed a lion, but there are hippos and stuff? I imagine their territory, like RiverClan, usually has the most prey, but like RiverClan, it's also hardest to catch. I'm seeing the biggest game being here, like the giraffes, vulnerable whilst they drink and obviously hippos. Also, alligators are here. I'd imagine they'd have to be very big and strong to survive.
Savannah - ThunderClan-ish, because they'd be the vanilla Clan. This is what you think when you think lion. However, due to the openness of the territory, it may also be pretty WindClan-ish.
??? - I assume this would have to fill the WindClan/ThunderClan role a little more. Could be rockier territory, or maybe scrubland, hell, even jungle? Not sure... *squints*

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I'd go with WindClan more for Savannah, and perhaps a more jungle-like area for ThunderClan, trying to go along with where the Clans are in the original series (moors and forest). The gathering place would probably be something like Pride Rock from TLK.

And yeah, trans lions/maned females/maneless males would probs be considered the best Medicine cats, though most of them would be female like in the original series.

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Mmm, good point with the Clans. I like having the Pride Rock for the gathering place quite a lot. :> What about the Moon uh... place... Maybe it could be a geyser of some sort? Or it could be in a cave like it was in the old forest.

I still feel iffy about having medicine cats being majority females, since, like I said before, males would have slightly less utility as normal warriors than females would. In fact, maneless males would probably have *more* use as regular warriors. Perhaps the mane could be seen as more spiritually significant, like maybe a resemblance in shape to the shape of Silverpelt above? :0

The reason I kind of pushed jungle off is cuz lions, in spite of being 'Kings of the Jungle' don't normally live in jungles, but I'm sure they'll be okay. I think I may look into tigers' hunting habits more for the jungle lions, though. I also would expect them to keep more of the spotting on their legs/tummies, and have the darkest pelts overall. Not sure about prey. There aren't as many of the typical ungulates a lion would eat in the jungle, though there are Okapis and probably quite a few others. There are also monkeys. The trouble with them is that they're either too small and nimble, or too intelligent, social, and aggressive to be attacked. There are few recorded successful hunts of lions on chimpanzees, and in fact, chimps kill big cat cubs. I'm sure gorillas are even worse.

I did a little more research. They could be in woodland/shrublands, for a more ThunderClanlike territory. There are a lot of trees for cover there, but there isn't the dense growth of a jungle. More prey lives there, there aren't as many killer monkeys... I think it'd work better XD

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This could be so cool. I would love to put input into these decisions, but I'm not really good at this kind of thing. So I shall sit back and watch. Then I shall congratulate you on how awesome this sounds

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XD Awww, Rainy, thanks, but don't be shy if you come up with anything, okay? <3

Brainstorming is my specialty, heh. It's basically all I'm even good at X3

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Ha alright. Will do

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