Posted by Sex Exclusive Pelt Colors

JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-02-05 16:52:05
So I was going through the tree today and had the (probably incorrect) thought of "huh...is it just me or are most slate based cubs male?"

And then it hit me. What if, like calico cats, some bases were exclusive to a certain sex? Or, as in the case or real calicos, rare in the other sex BUT they would be infertile/non-passable.

Example (with made up bases)

Lava Could be a male-linked base. Magma could be a female-linked base. However, the rare male Magma cub could be born and would always be born with Klinefelters. He would be larger than the standard male with stat penalties for stamina and strength, consistent with real clinefelters. His mane would be lacking and like a male Leopon, he could not breed OR would be the only males with an active fertility (which would either be low or very low. When breeding a lioness, the system would run her fertility and his and if even one of them fails, it's a failed breeding. IRL, the success rate of a fertile Klinefelter male of impregnating his partner maxes out at 45%). Lava based females could be equally rare and always sterile, in which chaste berries would be needed to breed them.



This suggestion has 84 supports and 47 NO supports.



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(BO) PewDiePiebald (#45863)

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2017-02-05 17:12:03
hmmm interesting but no support. sounds like an overly complicated and un-needed add on to the game (sounds more like a mutation to me, similar to that of primal where the females can have it but unable to pass it)



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-02-05 17:17:26
Fair enough.

And yeah, it sorta turned into a mutation halfway in.



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2017-02-05 17:19:10
It does seem complex but even if it's "not needed" doesn't mean it wouldn't add interest to the game.
Technically none of the mutations are "needed" for lioden game mechanics to run, they just add interest. I see this as a similar concept.

Im kind of on the fence about adding the kleinfelters part seeing as that would be basically a mutation at the same time as this base thing, which makes it more complex to implement, but I do support the gender specific bases. It sounds fun, and (if I'm wrong then correct me but...) not too horribly hard to code. It seems reasonably doable.
And it's definitely realistic.
Supported!



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Edited on 06/02/17 @ 00:19:42 by Cerrates (Hexapan) (#49783)

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Posted on
2017-02-05 17:20:00
Thanks!



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Posted on
2017-02-05 17:31:36
This idea is interesting I like it might be a bit complicated but supported! who knows maybe this will make the game slightly more realistic which would be pretty great and I agree with cerrates it does sound pretty fun

my main question would be would their be multiple if so how many?



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2017-02-05 17:38:07
I like the idea of the bases being skewed towards different sexes, but I can't help but think that they shouldn't be tied to stats. Supported, but hoping for that caveat if implemented.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2017-02-05 17:39:06
Sure there could be a pairing each for red, black, golden, and cream each.

Magma and Lava could be red
Aureate and Bullion could be gold
Sable and Stygian could be black
Alabaster and Skim could be cream

Again, made up bases.



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Edited on 06/02/17 @ 00:40:27 by Jaxster [KimanPiedRosette] (#98288)

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Posted on
2017-02-05 17:43:08
I support it.
It may be a little complicated but since cats in real life have those too, it would be interesting in Lioden.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2017-02-05 17:48:49
Not a fan of the "rare chance" cubs and being infertile (And definitely not a fan of different fertility males), but I support a few sex-based bases (hehepun) granted that the bases are even (Ex: There is a male and female type for each, and they have a pretty equal rarity)



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JAX • 3.12.21
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Posted on
2017-02-05 17:53:02
Why arent you a fan of the rare cub? Maybe to keep it simple the mutation stuff could be cut but to make it realistic, the offspring WOULD have to be infertile.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-02-05 18:01:15
Well, this is just my thought process here, but;

If they are a 'rare' occurrence, depending on what you call 'rare' they could quickly become 'not so rare'. Just based on liodens userbase number and depending on popularity how determined the community would be to breed it. To me it sort of diminishes the point of sex-different bases, since by breeding you can just get a cub of the opposite base. Unless you can chastberry the infertile lions, they are pointless unless as a trophy. Also, to add to it, if being the other base made them infertile I would think it would need to be considered a mutation as it is not the normal and has caused them to lose their reproductive system's functionality. When you think of it as a mutation it add a whole new tree to bases. Instead of just "Bases" it would be "Bases > Sex-Bases > Sex-Bases-Mutations" if that makes sense.





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Edited on 06/02/17 @ 01:01:32 by [Primal] Heda RedBox (#56702)

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Posted on
2017-02-05 18:12:59
"a - If they are a 'rare' occurrence, depending on what you call 'rare' they could quickly become 'not so rare'."
What I call rare is natural born dwarf rare. With that in mind, I highly doubt they'd be "not so rare".

And it may diminish the point for you, but it's sticking to reality for me. Males from a typically femsclusive base would be sterile and so would females vice versa, only females could be chaste berried. Neither of the rare gender variations would pass their bases.



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Posted on
2017-02-05 18:17:18
I like this idea! However, I do feel like it'd have to be a mutation instead of a separate coat color idea.

The sex-linked coat colors would have to come by being on either the X or Y chromosomes, which would make it bit more complicated. Let's say Lava is the male-linked base. There's no way it could be present in females, because in order for it to be male-linked, it would have to be on the Y chromosome, which a female will never have. So males would be able to have their own coat that females would never get, because of the presence of the Y chromosome. This could also work with markings as well, since there could be a gene that codes for a specific marking linked to the Y chromosome.

Going with what you said about Magma, it could definitely show in males but I don't think it would be specific to either gender. Females have two X chromosomes, however, only one is "active" while the other remains dormant (its genes aren't expressed). Because males have both an X and Y, I think the chance of it appearing in them is equally as reliable as it is in females. I do like the Klinefelters idea though as a separate mutation!



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Posted on
2017-10-26 08:20:40
i support the base only on female/males. but NOT how complicated it gets. why would they male look any different? he should just come up as infertile, looking like a normal male lion if he even gets the base.



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