Posted by Mottled/Rosette Name Change

Inu [Arctic Ice
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2018-01-27 21:32:50
Change either the Piebald: Mottled and/or the raffle rosette marking names or change the name of Mottled Rosette.

As of right now, people can go Studding/Selling Mottled Rosette Stud/Lion and actually be Piebald with Onyx Rosette or Vice versa and it technically wouldn't be lying or false advertisement.

Shouldn't have to check the ins and outs of every single thing. What's written in the 50 character title should be what's being offered.
Which is why things shouldn't have the same name. You should always check, but that isn't the problem. The Problem is you are opening yourself for scams. Its false advertising. Its dishonest.


Proposal:

We can rename Rosette/Mottled Rosette to Leopard or something. We have Margay, Puma, etc, so it kinda fits.
And/or Mottled pie to Marbled. It kinda looks like the other marbled markings we have, the name is also not to disimilar to what it was.



This suggestion has 4 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 28/01/18 @ 06:27:21 by Inu [Arctic Ice King] (#25934)

Nyanunix (#11487)

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2018-01-27 22:09:57
I think that it's fine as it is and as a buyer, you should be checking the lion you're studding to or buying to make sure it's actually what you want. I mean, people can be as specific or nonspecific as they want in their ads; they can say they're selling 'lots of applicators' and actually be selling a couple crescent moons and they're not wrong.



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Inu [Arctic Ice
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2018-01-27 22:27:32
I never said not to check, there are probably more rosettes/mottled piebalds on the site than mottled rosette, if I wanna buy a mottled rosette, those two kinda flood my results in the chatbox, forum, etc. Not only making it harder, but also wasting time.

It shouldn't be possible for people to advertise something they don't have imo but make people think they do. It can cause scams. And you can go "well, I wasn't wrong"



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Smile Plug² (#78322)

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Posted on
2018-01-27 22:31:29
People will always mislead others if they think it means they might be able to sell their... well.. trash.

Think of all the lions labelled "Bloodbourne Female" "Celestial lioness" etc. and you click on the lion for sale and it turns out the only 'bloodbourne' or 'celestial' thing about the lion is their mane color.



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ModbotFanClub [Jean] (#110629)

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2018-01-27 22:37:22
It is quite annoying though, when I'm looking for cute mottled Pies, and it ends up being a rosette, or vice versa. Support.



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Inu [Arctic Ice
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2018-01-28 01:45:41
Think of all the lions labelled "Bloodbourne Female" "Celestial lioness" etc. and you click on the lion for sale and it turns out the only 'bloodbourne' or 'celestial' thing about the lion is their mane color.


Yes, but those lions DO actually have bloodborne, rather than upselling something that isn't even what is being offered. Bloodborne mane has bloodborne, a mottled pie with onyx rosette does not have mottle rosette. Is it still a dick move? Sure. Misleading? Not as much.



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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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2018-01-28 07:35:16
Well I guess one issue with your argument is that a lion with a rosette mark and piebald mottled would be worth more than a lion with just mottled rosette? So I can get how there might be confusion but it's pretty clearly not a scam that's happening. If anything the people advertising like this are just wording things weirdly, I'd rather have a stud with a mutation and a rosette than a stud with no mutation and a rosette.

And also I'd argue that saying "celestial lioness" when the only celestial thing is the mane is a lot more misleading than putting mottled rosette because putting it as the main adjective implies the base.

I don't see a significant reason for a change, personally. I also like that there's mottled piebald and mottled rosette because I lowkey want a lioness with both to match lol



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Inu [Arctic Ice
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2018-01-28 14:23:31
It doesn't matter which one is worth more, that's not what is the problem here. When you have something more valuable you shouldn't have more common or less valuable that can be advertised as the same thing. What is written should be what you expect. If you see Mottled Rosette, what do you expect? The marking of that name or the mutation and onyx, etc rosette? Mottled Rosette was on this site long before the other two.

At least a celestial maned lion has celestial on it. I'm talking about a situation where what is written is not what you get. At all. Not even close.

I can't see how this community can say yes to the no false advertise suggestion and turn around and reject a suggestion of the same ilk, its just a more specific instance.



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cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

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2018-01-28 14:53:44
"At least a celestial maned lion has celestial on it. I'm talking about a situation where what is written is not what you get. At all. Not even close."

I guess in my opinion what is written is kind of what you get? They have a piebald mottled and it has a rosette mark. With the names as they are now, if someone has both mottled and rosette in the name it could be ambiguous? Anyway most people would put a / or comma between the mottled and rosette unless they ran out of space in their stud ad.

Is this something you've seen people do? I took the liberty of looking up all members with mottled rosette or even mott rosette and none of them are doing as you described. Personally I've never seen anyone do this, probably because they would rather emphasize that their stud was a piebald AND a rosette. If this was a widespread problem with confusion then maybe I'd support to make things clearer but as far as I can tell this is more of a just in case suggestion, so because I like the current names I can't support.

The no false advertisement suggestion was based on actual ads that were consistently showing up in sales chat enough for most people to recognize how pervasive the perceived issue is.



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