I don't know how a heritage wipe item would work. To me it doesn't seem the same as Heritage Replacing or a Chased Lioness since technically the lion's parents still exists but they'd just be hidden from his heritage. Wouldn't they still show up in cubs bred of the parents' or would that be wiped too?
Where as a heritage replacement would be like a stat/mutie replacement, new lion heritage/stats but same looks.

3500 stats seems rather high to me.

But a heritage item has been suggested before, I believe, I'm just not sure which sub-forum it's in.

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1) Would have to be very expensive.
2) Eh, I don't know about that... I think it would hurt the clean-breeding market in the long run.

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> To prevent the stat monsters from heritage wipes, only useable on lions with under 3500 stats

What about people who lost clean lined lions with stats higher than this? And anyways, nothing would stop users from just using these on their 'best' lions, rather than just the ones who were effected. So no support from me for that option.

But the second option seems fine, I don't see why not implement that. The only issue I see is that it doesn't help those who lost lionesses with clean lines, but there's not much that can really be done.

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I highly disagree...it would make clean/heritageless lion worthless EVERYONE would use it on their king and the heritage replacer? No sorry thats why people sell heritage replacers if you dont want to spend the gb you shouldnt do it

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Kit: they'd have to be wiped from their parents as well. Basically like heritage replacing them, but they'd keep their current cubs breed and stats.

Asher: @2 - How? It would be short term to return things to how they were before the update. I don't think enough GB would be lost, since people already spent it buying clean lions that aren't clean now.

Calix: That's unfortunate x.x I just picked something plausibly high for clean lines - perhaps users with proof could discuss with staff on the matter. People would likely just use it on the "best" lion which is why I thought a cap would be good, but people can be kind of cheap that way so not much to do there unfortunately. Let me know if you have any improvements for that option.

Acon: Did you see my second suggestion? That'd help people replace lost Kings while still having to buy a rep.

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I did and i still disagree...clean breeding is expensive thats just how it is

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I'm not asking for it to be cheaper, I'm asking for the money people put in to now unclean lions to somehow be returned. I'm very aware it's expensive as it's a small side project of mine - I can only imagine how many hard mode breeders have lost countless GB to this, and they won't even have assets to resell.

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I appreciate the suggestions to try and help, but these aren't the best options?

I feel the easiest way they can do this is to just set everyone who requests it's King at "unknown" for both parents. Yeah, some folks who weren't affected might take advantage of it, but what really would they be gaining? It's not currency, not an item. Lineage has no effect on the actual way the game is played, so they aren't -- strictly in terms of the game -- getting a head or lead on anyone who DOESNT ask for it.

And if you're a dirty breeder, you can resume not caring. Stat Capping it at 3000 might be a good idea though. Maybe the user has to provide evidence of past Clean Breeding, perhaps with past Clean Kings or a sizeable number of clean lions who've been around for awhile before the incident?

Otherwise, we get mini clean stat monsters running around, which I personally dont mind but other folks might.

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The thing is, with that clean breeding becomes basically moot for people who have worked for it. It's a very hard situation to handle though XP If they're gonna do that then it'd probably be better to just do a mass heritage wipe like the one done years ago and just set things straight for good.

Lineage has as much effect on gameplay as looks do, in technicality - it's a superficial feature, it's bred for, and it matters more to some people than others. Lots of people who don't care about lineage don't seem to realize this. Like I personally tend to have a dirty king and a clean king between my accounts - I like having the option to clean breed, but I'm not against dirty lions. However, I know clean lions (and studs) go for more because they're inherently rarer - like rarer marks and bases go for more. So just wiping everything willy nilly would have to either wipe /everything/, or be carefully monitored to be fair. And I don't know if staff want to go as far as a full wipe, or have time to slowly manage this.

So yeah idk, just trying to offer some plausible options |D Like a full wipe would be the easiest, but that would destroy people's hard work and projects even more. Because if that happened, not only would some of the projects be tainted (as they are now), but now they'd all be genetically identical to every other lion. If you worked hard to get the right marks on a clean lion, now every lion with those marks is clean. So all your extra work is completely gone.

Not sure if I explained that well or not. I just want /something/ to be done about this instead of it just being "get over it move on its done". Hoping Friday will give at least some other kind of news, instead of it ending with today's damage control post to get people to shut up about it.

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Then, again, we do a Stat Cap. Maybe set it lower, at 1000. 1000 Stat Clean lions are definitely not unheard of, while 2k and more tend to be rarer.

But at least they wont be all over the place like Moby and Copernicus' 3k spawn, make them all un-special as a result.

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I know some people had higher stat clean kings though XP My old one almost hit 2K and he started at 150. We do need a stat cap I think but it still ends up being problematic. Additionally, if a bunch of lions are wiped but not all, the remaining heritages would likely be weird and missing chunks of information. For example, if a cub is born from a 2k mom, and has 800 stats, but her cub is patrolled, kinged, and stat boosted to be 2k. His mom would have a wiped heritage, but this cub wouldn't, and neither would his grandpa. But if his grandpa has a heritage where would it show up for the cub? It's similar to the issue that was just fixed, honestly - sections of heritages just not showing despite existing. It'd be easier if only some were removed from the system, or all.

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Also, at all the no supports, would you like to say why? If it's because you don't care then maybe leave a neutral stance instead of that XP And if you do disagree, I'd love to hear why. Really trying to make something constructive here because suddenly changing something that'd been the same for literally years is kind of damaging and I want to at least try and help come up with possible fixes.

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I dont see a reason for the admin team to step in, its a self-imposed challenge.
How do you even imagine them doing this, tracking down every single one person? What if I decide that I want my 25gb back too, how do you prove the INTENT? I can just say OMG I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEAN HURRDURR WHAA. Prove that I didnt? They're going to have to deal with those kind of requests too.
Lots of work to put into something they didnt even mean to create to begin with. I'd personally like to see those resources poured into 2-4 years old bugs or gameplay improvement.

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I mean, this was a very old bug XP I'd just like to see something done other than the update being put in and everything being shuffled along. I did say it'd be hard to regulate - the honour system doesn't work too well on the internet. I'm literally just trying to find a better solution, there's no need to be so hostile |D

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