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PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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2019-07-31 11:13:23
Pretty much any species CAN have silvering or dilution factors to some degree. This would be a really easy mutation to add, a lot like piebald, BUT different. Genetically piebald and dilution genes aren't always linked, though in some species, namely birds, they can be. In cats and dogs piebald has nothing to do with dilution, they are on different loci.

I'm not sure how extensive it should be in game, but it exists on a gradient from nearly white to lightened variations of the base color. I was thinking it could display something like:

Dilution (30%) or Dilution Heavy/Medium/Light

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Normal Non-Dilute Lion:
dilute_original

20% Dilution:
dilute_ex3

50% Dilution:
dilute_ex1

70% Dilution:
dilute_ex2
Skin and eyes are NOT always diluted alongside the base color, though they usually are. All of the above examples have skin and eye dilution. The following example will not.

60% Dilution | No Skin/Eye Dilution:
dilute_ex2nonose
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Red-Phased Examples:
Normal Non-Dilute Red:
dilute_redoriginal

80% Dilution:
dilute_red
*Brown Eyes lighten to an Amber Shade and amber Lightens to Yellow.

60% No Skin/Eye Dilution:
dilute_rednonose
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Black-Phased Examples:
Normal Non-Dilute Black:
dilute_blackoriginal

50% Dilution
dilute_black
*Black Eyes often lighten to a Bluer Shade, so I gave the lightened Jet eyes a slight blue tinge.

80% No Skin/Eye Dilution:
dilute_blacknonose

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Patches of dilution are also possible. This is very rare in nature, but it does happen! Because we humans like rare things, we've bred it into some domestic animals. Examples include harliquim merle dogs, pseudo-merle cats, and tortoiseshells and tabbies with dilute patches.

Patched 30% Dilution:
dilute_expatches2

Patched 60% Dilution:
dilute_expatches3

Patched 20% Dilution:
dilute_redpatches

Patched 50% Dilution:
dilute_blackpatches
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Of course it doesn't need to be as elaborate as I made it. I think a flat 30-50% dilution would be just as nice or a simple Light/Medium/Heavy. Percentages would make it more complicated and would require more coding and such. I do think it would be awesome to have the ability to get dilute lions though~




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Edited on 31/07/19 @ 15:47:11 by PeachKitten (#10353)

PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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2019-07-31 11:13:38
[ saving for myself ]



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2019-07-31 11:13:44

Some lions with dilution factors:
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Edited on 31/07/19 @ 11:43:06 by PeachKitten (#10353)

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2019-07-31 12:47:30
I love this! Esp the patches of dilution.



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PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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2019-07-31 12:51:08
@Firecracker - Yeah, I think it would be a nice addition to the mutations we already have. For me pied lions can be a bit too dramatic, so this would be a nice in between. c:



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2019-07-31 13:46:55
I'm a little confused, dilution and leucism are not the same thing. Dilution/silvering are specific genes in domestic animals. Leucism doesn't appear in different forms(as what your percentages are suggesting). It's partial genetic failure to properly display melanin(along with other types of pigment). This is what causes your wild white lions.

Harlequin patterning(only in great danes and similar breeds), is more akin to the patches that we have now. The dilution that standard merle would cause on the eumelanin of the dog is amped up to 100% and turns white. SO perhaps you mean standard merle in that regard.

Would this be an overlay on top of the existing lion? All non-mutated files on site would have to be duplicated/tripled/quadrupled to do the different percentages of the mutation. That's just not feasible.



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2019-07-31 14:42:05
(I'm assuming overlay but I like the patched diluted anyways, which would also be an overlay prob)



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PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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2019-07-31 15:42:39
You know, if I would have reviewed my notes before assuming I remembered everything correctly, that would have been great. xD
Thank you for the clarification deertush, I've fixed the main post.

Here I mean dilution. However I can say, as my parents are dog breeders: when we call a dog "harley" (harlequin) or "tweedy" that means they are merles with dilute patches/spots. If it's on a solid, bi, or tri we just call it dilute patches. I know cats can have pseudo-merling (caused by dilution), but it's not nearly as common as in dogs.



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PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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"Would this be an overlay on top of the existing lion? All non-mutated files on site would have to be duplicated/tripled/quadrupled to do the different percentages of the mutation. That's just not feasible."

It would be a one layer overlay that comes in different capacities, just like all the markings do. I used white with a blending mode, soft light. It would go over all markings, and if eyes and skin get diluted over those two layers too, but under the linework. I did however put the dilution for the eyes on a different layer and used a different blending mode, vivid light.



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Edited on 31/07/19 @ 15:49:10 by PeachKitten (#10353)

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2019-07-31 15:54:28
Ah, I see. Tri-colored merle’s are called tweeds officially. Harlequin is a different thing and not similar. I’m just now further confused now though that you mention patches of diluted fur on merles because merleing in itself is a form of partial dilution causing patches of untouched eumelanin. Using the word dilution also makes me think of the actual dilution gene(blue/isabella)

Unfortunately, blending modes like soft light(or any blending mode) wouldn’t work within the coding. Site assets are a flat PNG image and not like photoshop layers.



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PeachKitten [CLEAN] (#10353)

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2019-08-02 10:45:44
Maybe just a white overlay? I had to use blending mode to preserve the shading b/c I didn't have the ability to separate the lines from the markings and base and such? :o

So merling makes it so some hairs are white and some are pigmented. Their proximity creates a lightened appearance. When a merle has lighter patches mixed in it's because the hair in those patches is lighter and still mixed with completely white strands.



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Edited on 02/08/19 @ 10:48:02 by PeachKitten (#10353)







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