it's nonlethal and it sounds cool so it has my upvote

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This mutation is already in game, called harlequin ichthyosis, only thing is that it's a lethal mutation where they die after 1 roll over. So, no support. Unless you meant something different.

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no this is a nonlethal version where scales form sitting there but they don't hurt or rip

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Ah I see….

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is kinda like some forms of psoriasis... not harmful just looks different and might result in some bald patches but nbd... dunno why there are people with a problem with it. But that's not the point. I just look at them for a second and move on. none my business and idgaf.

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The name is already taken for a lethal, but very cool idea! The lethal is a different for of ichthyosis which is where the skin keeps growing and gets thicker and thicker. That is significantly different than this version of ichthyosis.

Now the thing is that anyone with this condition is sensitive to the sun, so irl lions would have a hard time living with it and would have trouble cooling down and be extremely itchy, yo the point where they might tear there skin off. Since it is a game it might pass as non-lethal, but either way it's a cool idea!

Support from me (though I suggest you edit the main post to include the difference between this ichthyosis and the ichthyosis we already have in the game. )

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Ah, ok! Thanks for the feedback! I just updated it so hopefully it’ll be clearer.

Unfortunately I can’t think of a way to implement the sunlight sensitivity idea aside from just making it flavor text, but I’m sure I’ll think of a way!

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Yeah lol. I was just giving some scientific background!

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mm yes scales, the gendered scales are kinda weird in my opinion, because most mutations don't get effected because of gender at all, ( mane muties and du are mutations that males already have, and those parts of a lionesses body are gendered so what i'm saying is that its a bit odd that a genderless thing such as the skin would be effected by gender) but overall, mmmm lion sneks i support

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This is similar to Harlequin Icthytosis, is it not?

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Yes., but I made a couple distinctions from it. This version isn’t lethal, it’s really just like a normal mut.

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this is like psoriasis more or less plaques of tough skin that look like scales. not lethal more annoying for the lion than anything. dunno why people stare at people with psoriasis... I take a glance and go 'ok skin condition hope it's not contagious but it's no reason to stare or treat them differently. I avoid everyone equally so nbd'

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I love this idea! I'd love this to be introduced personally, though the name should be changed or altered a bit

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I’m glad you like it! But I’m not sure what an alternate name for it would be…any ideas?

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2023 was not the year I expected for a suggestion to make the skin mutations on the lions gendered and or sexed.
I can't find anything that would imply the scales to be sexually dimorphic.

No other mutation in themselves in game gets variants (the primals and pies are in practice different mutations) or more extreme forms with breeding the same mutations together. Lioden will likely not be able to showcase two mutations together due to code, so something as complex as different spots of baldness I doubt is very likely. Atleast I recall that had been mentioned. Nor do I neccesearly get the need for the variation for variety's sake only when Lioden mostly doesn't do that.

I also don't either really see how or why the proposed items should exist.

Aside from the fact that sex linked scales are weird to me, the game doesn't let you showcase mutations specific to the other sex. Nor do you have items that exclusive to one single mutation either, other than applicators.

My biggest gripe though is with the snakeroot. While the above mentioned suggestion are mostly just mechanics the game doesn't do which aren't inherently bad to suggest, but this is suggesting a brand new other thing for something that already exists in the game. There's no reason why this mutation would fall outside the effect of lion balls and a have an entire different item for it. It's not like the pennyroyal either that increases the chance for variants to pop up. No need to reinvent Spanish wax.

Second objection is that ichtiosys Vulgaris wouldn't really visually show, not as described atleast. Ichtiosys Vulagris doesn't also cause hair loss in itself, but the built up oil from the dry skin would make your lion look greasy as shit and smell horrible.The pawpads also swell and make it hard to walk in the most extreme cases. So no one would really care to compare the affected lion to snakes or lizards, more likely their peers would instead just fervently avoid them because of the smell.

other than that, suggesting that an already existing mutation be removed in favour of your own suggestion is uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh. A little problematique. Sorry.

Even just ignoring the fact that people already collect and spend a huge amount of gb for the mutation as it exists, I am also bothered by the idea of throwing an entire art file of an extreme condition for it's less visually distinct and least severe related condotion. Considering your skin is the largest organ of your body there to protect you from outside elements, it's absurd to assume that a severe enough skin disorder won't be deadly alot of times. ESPECIALLY HARLEQUIN Ichtiosys that was 100% lethal where the infant would die just days later, untill 1984 where the first known case of someone survived into adulthood. And even yet, half the infants with the condition still die and will need intensive care that our lions just simply cannot acomplish. It holds the title of lethal for a very good reason.

Also the name Ichtyosis isn't taken, only Harlequin ichtiosys is. Ichtiosys is a collection of skin disorders if it's the only word. Ichtiosys vulgaris as a name would be fine. Otherwise fish scales are a common nickname for the condition, so something realting to that might work.


My final impression is that you are more advocating for a Reptile-Lion primal like hybrid and trying to justify it with a condition that often gets confused for exczma, rather than actually bringing the mutation to the game- it would certainly explain the suggested variations. That, or your knowledge isn't quite as solid. Either way I can't support the suggestion as it currently is.



I apoligize if this came across really harsh or confusing, my intention wasn't and isn't to hurt you or accusing you of malice. My criticism or even dislike only extends the suggestion as it is now, not your person. I am not certain how easily my intents can be read, so I'd rather clarify this right ahead, even more so since I am tired as of right now.


On an another note, what you want to more or less visualize for this mutation, Ichtiosys vulgaris probably won't be a desired background cause, but looking into other cases of Ichtiosys could be worth it even if I personally didn't manage to find something I could point to as as a definitive solution, under the brief time I spent googling for it atleast.

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