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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-04 20:49:43
to avoid another post titled about ligers in particular this thread is about site mechanics of implementing these hybrids in the first place. I am open to suggestions. I think they should wait until a major game anniversary to launch any hybrid tied to a mechanic other than standard breeding so since it was last the five year anniversary we should not be seeing any of these until at least the tenth anniversary.

so far my opinion is to tie these hybrids to core game mechanics taught in the tutorial to get a first gen. explore being a primary one but other threads have suggested sub male patrols picking one up

the primary issue with implementing these hybrids is since we cannot take say a tigress or a leopardess into our pride to do the deed with how are we supposed to get the hybrid?
the explore route options are
option A we encounter the female tiger, leopard, ect in explore we already have a leopard encounter that fits the bill just to confirm they are in the area. a lot of stray lions we fight them in explore all the time so in theory at the same odds with the rng we would attempting to get a first gen pon or gon we can find the adult offspring of these unions claiming them like we would a lioness not knowing we got that until we first see the hybrid when we click claim which I believe is when the rng kicks in and fills in the usually lioness but possibly the first gen hybrid...
option b we find out our submale was fooling around with a tigress or a leopardess but something happened to the mother and we have the chance to take the cub into the pride then.
option c our king is in the same position as the sub male and we fooled around with her and something happens her last act is to get her cub to you to care for as a last ditch effort to see her cub through. We already all have fooled around with the leopardess.
a third darker option is to stumble across the dying female and take the cub in there no heritage at all like an ncl. Lot of ways for a big cat to just die in the wild. like the mukemburku or whatever encounter in march the odds would be insanely low for this encounter to happen.

the submale patrol route. he just brings back the cub and explains the situation, his genetics are not factored in, it looks like a classic gen 1 of that form of hybrid. Face it we cockblock our sub males hard with the game rule of not allowing them to breed. He's probably got a sweetie from another pride or a stray lioness he's seeing on the side but we never hear about her or we look the other way as long as he doesn't do anything with the lionesses in the pride.
the sub male could also find a dead mother and bring the cub in because well he doesn't know what to do with the cub, add flavor text regarding the submale's personality if you want like a good or kind personality just couldn't leave the cub there alone, neutral wanted to be sure of what to do, snarky plays it off as the neutral option, and the evil one says something about expanding the pride or getting a strong minion.
edit 1 I initially did not mention a reverse breeding situation because well when I suggested it the first time people just spammed downvotes at least corrupted hyena offered a reason.
edit 2 Starling has a post about the submale options in a bit more detail giving them credit for that. https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429510861
edit 3 Renxion had an idea that the submale just drops the hybrid cub on a lioness who just gave birth and she doesn't notice at first and well then you have a new hybrid
edit 4 if the submale or huntress brings back an orphaned cub it would have a blank pedigree like an rng generated lioness with the same stats or modified hybrid stats, (ligers are huge once they start growing so maybe a slightly higher strength stat?) all of this balanced out to match the rates we can breed a gen 1 gon or pon to keep it balanced, after a gen 1 it would pass at the same rate to get gen 2.

that's as far as I got on this one and am compiling other's ideas and criticisms from other threads into this. please don't silently upvote or downvote give a reason and wait for me to address it and see if I can find a work around. I actually count on feedback to flesh out my suggestions



This suggestion has 12 supports and 24 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/09/23 @ 16:00:04 by Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-05 10:38:59
For the first two ideas, I think they might fall under ideas that have been rejected (Sub-male breeding and getting a mutie from explore). Option C I could kinda see as maybe an event reverse breeding thing? I'm on the fence but I like where this is heading.



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-08-05 12:19:23
Y E S

I'd be happy if the end product is the cub was taken in whilst birth, or some flavor text about a sub taking in the cub ( being SUPER vague about if the sub male being the father or they just.. Found them on a rollover patrol. )



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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-05 12:24:45
the only issue with reverse breeding is the tigress or leopardess won't give up her cubs until they are fully grown and corrupted hyena is convinced that will adversely effect stats somehow. my first idea was a reverse breeding obtained from an explore encounter. as a result corrupted is vehemently against a reverse breeding and everyone else against reverse breeding is stating that 'the female will not give up her cub' as a primary reason. The sub male breeding is a random event just a catalyst I think gen 1 hybrids all have the same base so he's basically just on the birth certificate here.



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2023-08-05 12:30:42
The thing is, the game would probably count the king and the lioness as the parents still.



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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-05 12:37:50
gen one gons and pons have a default sire, basically he's on the birth certificate and that's it, you can't even click on them to take a look at their stats or bloodline could do the same thing with the mother on the pedigree



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Edited on 05/08/23 @ 12:38:24 by Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-07 21:42:38
well, something that could possibly happen is that the sub male fools during patrol and ends up with a hybrid, paniced, he could dump the hybrid onto a lioness who recently gave birth and wouldnt notice much due to the exhaustion. A Hybrid that is nursing under the lioness but with an NPC tigeress marked as their mother. No father prehaps?
Just an idea, correct me if im wrong



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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-08-08 09:16:36
that'd work I'd think



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2023-08-08 09:41:42
the requirements would be needing a preg lioness and a sub male. they should also make it so that if you predicted the amount of cubs she has, it would show it without the hybrid, just her normal litter, if she had 4 cubs predicted, 5 will show at her birth!!!!



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2023-08-29 05:49:06
I like where your going with this. But some of the options wouldn't work because they would fall under rejected ones but I think I support!



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-08-29 05:54:02
Hmm... maybe you can get a liger cub... From the giving tree as a small chance??? Maybe a tiger mother abandoned her cub for resources, and the cub , looking for their mother, is accidentally lured into your pride because they were at the giving tree?



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-08-29 05:57:52
OR the mother dies due to birthing the cub ( it happens... Sometimes ) and some huntresses or a sub of yours found the cub and took them in..?

Plus, the female tiger could abandon her young before their expected departure time due to resources or any other reasons!



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2023-08-29 08:33:15
No support, for many many reasons. Sun males can not breed, and never should or will. There is One tiger in the wild lands of Lioden, and that is a male. There are no females and I don't see why a female should be added just for another tiger and lion hybrid. We have Tigons and sure Ligers are not the same thing because of which genes they pull from the opposite parents, it is still a Tiger and Lion hybrid. I don't support finding them in the wild (find cubs in explore is permanently rejected), I don't support a submale being the father (submale breeding is permanently rejected, regardless of any loopholes) and I especially don't support finding them through the giving tree.



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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-09-07 14:37:02
still orphaned might be our best way to get a hybrid with a lion father in. be it a patrol where your submale brings it in, a huntress finds it on a hunt, or an explore encounter... a pedigree with unknown on both sides might be a way to put it like a gen 1 lioness you can claim in explore. I'd argue the odds of them being found would have to be avaraged out to match the chances of breeding a gen 1 hybrid. if you send out your submale the chances of him bringing back a hybrid cub would match the chances you'd get while breeding lionesses, your huntresses would have the same odds of finding an orphan and bringing it back.



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2023-09-07 14:57:56
I still don't support. I have sent my submale out on almost 1000 patrols already. Lionesses can only have 7 heats(7-28 cubs if not DU) without the help of barks. I would have has at least 5 of these hybrids by now with how much I patrol my males and with how much I hunt my Lionesses. For just an idea my main hunting patrol has
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With 3 of those lionesses being under 10 years old. Hunts can also be sped up and skipped so someone with a lot of time and money could just sit there send out lionesses and bring them back until they have who knows how many of these "new" hybrids.

Exploring isnt any better either. Roasted Lambs, Red Bulls, Energy Boosts, even meatpies can boost your energy. I could take 100 gbs and have 50 extra energy bars to explore with in less than an hour if my brain can focus long enough to do it in one sitting. Lets that the average amount of steps in explore with a full energy bar is 65. 65 times 50 full energybars is 3,250 steps. They get one of the "new" hybrids, breed them instantly, the hybrid passes and they sell the hybrid for 900gbs (hypothetical price for the brand new hybrid) 900gbs gets you 450 more energy boosts. 29,250 MORE steps in explore. If you found one is 3250 then you definitely just found at least 9 more.


Tldr:
Exploring can easily be over done and grinded like crazy.
Hunting is done every 30 minutes and can easily be skipped and bought.
Patrolling happens once an hour and thats may be the slowest option but thise who grind stat kings definitely have the upper hand.



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Wulfraptor (#242597)

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2023-09-07 16:03:39
you can use those same energy boosts a lot of lionesses from the market, and a lot of ibf to cheese the first gen hybrids as is if you got money... the only one you can't cheese with money is submale patrols actually



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