Posted by ADOL LETHAL - Underdeveloped

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2023-09-26 09:37:12
I've seen a lot of folks mention how we need both some adol lethals, and some blind/deaf lions. So, taking all that in mind, I raise you...this unnamed mutation that I've been calling Underdeveloped.

The mutation is something along the lines of the top of the head failing to properly develop. The lion was born with enough brain to somewhat survive with care, and thus will last under a broodmother, but is developmentally stunted, has a skull appearing to almost be squished/halved, and lacks the eyes and ears. I don't know if this is a real genetic occurrence, tbh, but it seems logical enough to me. If it seems out of place that this would only affect the upper half of the skull, then maybe the legs are malformed, the spine is misaligned, and the tail may be stubbier as well, to continue with the idea that the lion did not properly form in-utero, but did form enough that they can somewhat survive for a little bit.

EDIT: This would be comparable to Treacher Collins / mandibulofacial dysostosis with the addition of undeveloped eyes.

(if this seems real familiar to you, its because I suggested this on somebody else's mutation, but felt it was unique enough to have its own forum post)
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Pose Ideas (Because What's A Lethal Without A Unique Pose?)
(My phone is being a butt and I'm too lazy to grab my notebook, so here's the best written descriptions I've got)

Cub Newborn - 'loaf' pose? Mouth open, 'confused' expression.

Cub Young - Standing, rear is lower than upper with legs more splayed, front paw up, 3/4 view.

Cub - Sitting stance, splayed legs, 'attentive' face.

Adol Female - Upright/standing stagger-stance, head tilted slightly to the side and up, mouth open.

Adol Male - Upright/standing stagger-stance, shoulders are hunched, head is drooping.

(Artists of Lioden - feel free to draw your own versions. They'll def be added here!

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Images! Art! Pose References! Photographic References!
...it'll exist eventually. I'm a fulltime college student, my time is limited, sorry!
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Suggestions From The Jury (Aka Lioden's Userbase)

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Closing Remarks
Support? Don't support? Have additional ideas? Please, tell me! But I do request that you refrain from not supporting (or at least refrain from commenting) for the following reasons:
-It would add more work onto the Lioden staff (Every single suggestion would add more work onto the staff team. Ever. Single. One. Plus, its not like this mut is being demanded rn. I will willingly wait a decade to see this in-game.)
-You hate me and my other ideas, so you refuse to entertain this one. (No.)
-You hate mutations, period. (Why are you here?)



This suggestion has 86 supports and 11 NO supports.



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Edited on 25/02/24 @ 13:00:43 by 𐂂 Kurloz Makara 𐂂 (#164933)

ThatOneAlien (#267667)

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Posted on
2023-09-26 11:44:56
I would personally need to see a pic to fully know how I feel abt it (just how my brain works) but its sounds awesome!!



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2023-09-26 11:47:23
Alien -
I'm feeling pretty meh rn, but once I can comfortably stand and grab my sketchpad, I'll get some actually decent concepts done, lolz.



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2023-09-26 11:50:20
Oh no ur good im not rlly expecting it or not just saying ^^ ur good ^^



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Fraekinn [FROZEN] (#57572)


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2023-09-26 15:42:17
Isnt this like the already planned Cebocephaly?




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2023-09-26 15:47:20
Fraekinn -
Not really. Cebochephaly is a malformation of the head that would render a being unable to breathe, and leaves the ears in existence. It also typically leads to the death of a being soon after birth.

My idea introduces the idea of a malformation that would allow a life to exist into childhood, would not fully remove the capability to breathe, and would fully remove the eyes/ears as if the upper part of the head just didn't form/the cells ended up separated in-utero. It wouldn't exist in the holoprosencephaly family that cebochephaly exists in, as it cannot be categorized into any of the four forms.



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Fraekinn [FROZEN] (#57572)


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2023-09-26 15:51:46
I can't support when visually there would be very little difference, especially when unlike Cebocephaly you haven't provided a name or real life example of the mutation you are wanting.



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Posted on
2023-09-26 15:54:17
It would be close to Treacher Collins / mandibulofacial dysostosis, though the eyes are a unique addition that would therefore be a merging of two different genetic malformations.



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2023-11-15 09:06:36
I like this but I personally dont support it being an adol lethal.

The biggest reason there are no adol lethals is because the conditions would not allow them to live that long in the wild. Sure perhaps if this was for domesticated cats or something it would be possible to sustain them, but when you have to hunt, move constantly and dont have medicine, it is just impossible. Even the cubs have to constantly move with their parents from a young age. And considering the world is basically out to get them as soon as they leave the den, they have to be able to be alert and keep up. So no support unless it is a normal lethal.

I also agree with fraekinn, as just by the description it does seem super similar to the mutation already planned, but i will be back once an image is posted to change/edit or maintain my oppinion!



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2023-11-15 09:09:07
Corruptedhyena -
That's fair! My thought with it is that it would kill them as soon as they hit adolescence and thus truly left the cave, though perhaps it would have a higher chance of killing in childhood if they were left unprotected. So they would hit 1y, but then die upon RO and never make 1y1m.



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2023-11-15 09:14:53
To me that seems pointless. Personally I don't see why lethals have to be linked to adolescent years. Ultimately it doesn't make a difference since they would die anyways. And especially if (I think as your saying) there would be no art change for adolescent years it really makes no sense then



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2023-11-15 09:19:32
Corruptedhyena -
There would be an art change, its shown in the initial post. I have unique lineart ideas for each phase up to adolescence.



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Posted on
2023-11-15 09:20:52
Kk. Unfortunately I'm not willing go make a decision until an image is posted, but once you update the post, I'm subscribed so I'll come look then!



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Posted on
2023-11-15 09:22:49
Will do! I'll update it eventually, lol.



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