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2016-05-29 04:01:57

The Tilted Guide to Stats Pricing



I am aware that pricings are subject to seller’s opinion. I am aware of *different factors that come into play when a lion, cub, mutie is placed for auction or sale. Please use this as what it is to be. A guide.
***Different factors being age, 100% cub/adol training, mutations, and markings.


I decided to create a user friendly guide to help with the market of high stats cubs and adol. There is a LOT of variation. A lot of under valuing and there is a lot of overvaluing. And for lack of better terms, the market is a bit crappy at the moment.

Anyways. It is a community effort for the market to be profitable for all. The underselling and cutting prices (I have been guilty), is ruining the market. Many want to make whatever they can and not worry about the actual WORTH of a high stat cub.

I am about to say something that some will hate to hear, and something I learned is very beneficial in ways some will not understand.

Kill the cub.


That’s right. Kill the cubs that do not sell. Do not just CUT the price. I will kill or chase cubs before I ever undersell again. Because selling a cub for half of their worth is not helping the market.

General Guide to Pricing


I don’t know much about marking worth, but I believe if there are special markings, the value is increased. (just don’t ask me what is considered special. That is not my area of specialty when it comes to pricing).

1,000 stats. This has a starting baseline of 10 GB.
1 GB per additional 100 stats.
*. Due to the current state of the market the below is different than the above baseline and why there is an overlapping in pricing per 100 increment.
- 1,000: 5-8GB
- 1,100: 6-9GB
- 1,200: 7-12GB
- 1,300: 9-13GB
- 1,400 stats: 14GB.

*when the market is back up to par:
-1,000: 10gb
-1,100: 11gb
-1,200: 12gb
-1,300: 13gb
-1,400: 14gb


I, however, believe as it gets over the 1,500 stat mark the pricing should change.

I believe a more logical way to price anything above 1,500 stats, is to take into consideration how much hunting, exploring, and patrolling it took to get both parents were they are now.

---> 10GB base line for 1,000 stats.
- 1GB per 100 stats up to 1,400 stats.
----> 1,500+ stats?
- 14GB (1,400 stat pricing) + 4GB per 100 increment up to 1,900 stats.

See the listing below:

- 1,500 stats: 18GB
- 1,600 stats: 22GB
- 1,700 stats: 26GB
- 1,800 stats: 30GB
- 1,900 stats: 34GB

I believe anything above 1,900 stats, pricing should change again. It takes a monster LB king + a monster huntress to create something around 2,000 stats.
---> TOT at 13k created a range of 1,500-2,000+ cubs with a range of females at different stats.
---> Zeref! 11,300 stats, highest born was 2,100 stats to a 3,000-5,000 stat female.
---> Boombah? The same, he landed at 12k before his reign ended.
---> Hohenheim’s best? 1,700 stats. And he is at 8,200 stats.
---> Gajeel's best? 1,800 stats. He comes in at 9,200 stats.
---> Keyser is at 15,000 stats and the highest statted lion in the game. When he graces the faces of LD, he grants cubs cruising towards 2.9k.
---> Horus who is about to break 11k? Lowest is 1,200 and highest is a 1,900 with a 5k female.
And there are countless other amazing kings that grace the market with 1,500+ cubs! They took loads of time, money, effort AND patience to create. Don’t disgrace them by underselling cubs.

10GB per 1,000 baseline.
1GB for the first 100 increment up to 1,400.
4GB for the 100 increment leading to 1,900.
10GB for the 100 increments leading 1,900 to 2,000 and onward.
Therefore 2,000 stats: 20GB + 4GB + 20GB + 10GB = 54 GB.

Pricing is as follows:

-2,000 stats: 54GB
- 2,100 stats: 64GB
- 2,200 stats: 74GB
-2,300 stats: 84GB
-2,400 stats: 94GB
-2,500 stats: 104GB
-2,600 stats: 114GB
-2,700 stats: 124GB
The following based on what I've seen in the market selling successfully:
-2,800 stats: 180-200GB+
-2,900 stats: 250-350GB
-3,000 stats: 300-400GB

Again this is a -guide-. It is put together to help those confused with pricing. I personally believe the prices listed are the minimum prices a high statted lion should be sold for. Anything below is considered undercutting the market, in my opinion.


Other Guides I have created
Stats Guide: The Tilted Edition --> Goes over stat and xp items and the amount of xp and stats gained per level up :)

----> I hope someone finds this helpful!
Thank you for your time reading!
-Tilted Scene.



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2016-05-29 12:51:05
hahahahah no. I doubt cubs priced under this guide will sell. maybe re-evaluate and add in an age factor. a 100% trained adolescent is worth more than a cub, but a cub is worth more than an adult. In the trades I have seen people put up cubs and they don't sell, yet they don't re-evaluate the price once the lion turns 5 years and is still desirable but now seriously overpriced.



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2016-05-29 23:35:27
As stated many of times it is under my own opinion. The market, before it got dragged down, cubs sold for this. Gratify had no issue with similar pricing. Insane sold 2kers for well over 100GB.
I appreciate the opinion. I didn't take cub training into consideration. But with that in mind, a 100% trained cub has a chance to gain another 100 stats. I created it in terms of cubs. Not adults. I will add that disclaimer as well.

Personally I have sold and purchased quite a few 1,800-2,000+ for around the prices gathered. I have also asked others opinions on this before posting and they too have sold for around this. One of these players sold a 2.3k adol and it's sibling for 90gb each. Which is 6GB above my listed suggestion.

Hohenhiem's cubs and adol. have sold for around these prices. His 1.2kers could and did sell for around 12GB-15GB. A 1.4ker sold for 20gb.
From gratify, I purchased a lovely albino at 1.5k stats for 30gb... I do believe it had some fancy marking in a certain slot (I do not pay attention to markings to be honest. If it is pretty that is just a bonus with stats as my main focus).

All in all, I will look at this again with 100% trained cubs and adol into consideration. I appreciate the feedback :)



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2016-05-30 02:12:37
your recommendations for cubs 1500+ may be fair, especially as you know of cubs selling around that price. I know little of that end of the market as I am only interested in cubs between 900-1300 stats. I believe your lower end of the scale is overpriced, and as a potential buyer (and knowing other lower scale buyers) would not pay 10gb for 1000 stats. 5gb would be closer to the mark for 1000 stat cubs if you want a sale (and thus any return on your investment)
or for a buyer it becomes a better option to use a stud and breed their own.....which could lead to more 1000-1200 stat cubs flooding the market.

The small supply of 1500+ stat cubs makes it feasible to control the market, but for the lower staters the market should remain competitive with the larger amount of players able to produce cubs of 1000+ stats.



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2016-05-30 02:31:49
I can see your point in the 1,000 stat range. They are far... "easier" would be a word for it, to breed... but 5gb would be a bit of a undercut. Maybe 8GB would be a more fair pricing. But 5gb would just be killing the success for other sales. It takes a 7ker Stud to grant 1,000 stats with a decent female. Hohenhiem was about 7,100 before he graced me with a 1,000 statter with a 1,000+ stat female.
Even now, at 8k... he sometimes throws that random 900 stat baby with females below 700 stats, which is super annoying to me lol.

I think to get the market back up that 1,000 statters should be a base line of 8-10GB. I feel 5GB is just too low. Depending on the work on the female, and the studding fee on the male, there is lack of turn over from all the fees and currency... and items used.

I do see where you are coming from though. Where the market is now, 5gb is a more successful pricing for 1,000 stat cubs and adol. But in my mind I see 5GB more fitting to a seasoned adult female and 8-10GB for a cub or adol.

It is all a sensitive mess to be honest. Stud fees come into play, item prices, etc. One thing moves and it alters how abundant cubs are around the 1,000 low range.

Though, I have to admit, my knowledge of the lower range is out dated. I haven't openly sold Hohenheim babies in that range since before April. And since then, the market has altered again. So, yes I will agree 5GB is the going rate for the low range of 1000+ stat cubs and adol. I do not agree with where the market is though.
Sorry I know I repeated myself here and there.



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2016-05-30 02:51:03
repetition is okay, it means you cover your points in each post :)

I think cub training has changed thing a bit too, all it takes is not having too many training fails before they are 1 year and a 900 stat cub becomes a 1000 stat at adulthood.
Personally I think the lower prices for the lower stat ranges is pretty fair, there is much more effort needed for a 1300+ stat cub (let alone the pain needed to produce 1500+ stat cubs) which justifies a larger price.

1000 stat cub abundances do fluctuate, truely depending on how many studs are over 7000 stats, which then has an immediate effect on how much people are willing to pay in a highly competitive or dead market. Maybe a price range would be a better recommendation in the lower stat range case seeing as it does fluctuate so much over the year.



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2016-05-30 02:59:47
That is true. It is crazy how many stats a cub can gain with 100% cub training. I was shocked when my 1,100 gained well over 100 stats. I have the screenshot. I will have to dig it up! I screenshot a few training PMs to compare, I have yet to actually do that tho! I should and I can share my findings. Show how beneficial it can be. I did learn that cub training is a needed thing for a good gain. My heir I bumped to adol, and got him to 100% training and he gained 8 stats lol.

Hmm, so what range do you have in mind for the 1,000-1,300 ranges?
I am thinking:
1,000: 5-8GB
1,100: 9-11GB
1,200: 11-12GB
1,300: 12-13GB
With a overlapping range for some of those cubs that are in between one tier to the next one up.

I do appreciate you taking the time to thoroughly lay out your points :) I like when there is a nice conversation between two opposing sides to get each person's points across to the other!



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2016-05-30 10:47:44
discussions like this are the only way to get things actually done, there is too much snarking around sometimes and nothing happens.

I have saved all the stat gain at adolescent messages in the descriptions of my lions. I just spent a few minutes collating them in an excel sheet. I have had gains of between 45-91 stats, I know I had a quad celestial gain 112 stats, but I sold her and no longer have a link ~ I might hunt through my progeny to find her...as long as the new owner hasn't deleted her description.

As for price ranges you should show the full possible overlap as prices shuffle around a lot, so maybe:
1,000: 5-8GB
1,100: 6-9GB
1,200: 7-12GB
1,300: 9-13GB

untrained older cubs in a glut market would fall on the lower end of the price range, cub training might bump it up even in a flooded market. When there are few cubs in this range (because of all the other influencing factors like stud availability, stud price, amount of able lionesses, items or lack there of..) the cub price would slide to the other end of the scale. Prices could overlap or have additional sb prices on the cubs falling in-between stat tiers. 8GB would popup as mimimum early to the 1200 teir, like at 1230 stats.



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2016-05-30 11:11:25
Yes I agree. Rapport between players need to happen more often!

That is a good idea. That range is very nice too. Especially that 112. I have dug up one showing 45 stat gain, though I will continue to dig more! I know I have more screenshots somewhere.

I do like that list, would you be okay if I implemented that into the guide?

Yes. That is good. Definitely like the variation in pricing to meet the different circumstances that take place!



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2016-05-30 11:37:28
of course you can implement those prices in your guide, that is why I came here!

recommending 10GB and killing rather than 'undercutting' would have resulted in lots of dead 1000 stat cubs if people followed the 'unedited' version.



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2016-06-01 09:43:25
Sorry for delay! I had a holiday on Monday so loan applications poured in this week! lol
I adjusted the 1,000-1,300 do you have a suggestion for a user friendly disclosure?



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2016-06-01 11:39:50
oh ummm, I am never too good at these. maybe something like "as cubs between 1000-1300 stats are achievable by a wider pool of players there is much more competition to sell at times. Value adding processes, like cub training, can help raise the cub value fairly in a highly competitive time"



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2016-06-03 10:27:54
Hey! If you wanna add to your excel sheet about adol gains:
My friend's adol gained 95 :)



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2016-06-03 12:31:07
I can see if I can turn it into an open google doc or something ~ might take awhile as I am going out



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2016-06-03 13:00:52
No rush. I was just informed of the gain and thought it may benefit you!



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2016-06-03 18:04:07
I've found a page where someone already has something going to collate cub train stat gains, hopefully they get a doc up soon here



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