I have always wondered why this wasn't already legit! This would make poor users more able to obtain the mutation as well!

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Would take away from the value of dwarves, I think.

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While it would be nice to have an all around chance, I feel that it might somewhat defeat the purpose of lion scrotums. And hey, don't get be wrong — lion scrotums have never exactly worked well in my favor. But if they were no longer to be necessary for dwarves I very much doubt people would be buying them as often, and then there might not be many available in game outside of February as a result. And I don't know what this adjustment might do to the price of dwarves, either; it would be really nice if lesser players could afford dwarf breeding easier with an addition like this, but I'd personally be a bit afraid to see what might happen to the dwarf market/commonality if this were to be implemented. I suppose it's just strange to consider breeding them in any other way than they currently must be bred. Sorry, no support from me :c

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If it's the same with cats, that would only lead to dead kittens after the first month. In dwarf cats- you don't breed two dwarfs together because it increases the chance- if not completely guarantees the chance for dead kittens. That's why you always breed a dwarf cat to a normal sized one, because the dwarf gene is lethal if both parents carry it. But since lions aren't actually born with dwarfism(or is VERY rare, not sure, never seen a real dwarf lion) I couldn't speak completely that it would be the same for lions as it is in cats, but since they are related I would assume it's the same. But this game is almost completely unnatural. Just thought I'd throw that out there though.

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Not really, since they have already plummeted from the release of Lion scrotums. It might devalue the lion balls tho

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Currently, you can make more money selling buffalo and lion balls than you can breeding dwarves.

This would make dwarves valuable for a short time since the kings would pull some stud money, but studding is already a pretty slow market, and eventually it would devalue dwarves. I think the lion scrotum ought to go somehow, and in lieu of that we've got to pass dwarfism down somehow, but it should still be rarer. That might not be realistic, but if it passes down too casually, dwarves won't remain a valued mutation. Perhaps dwarf to normal ought to be just slightly higher than two non-muties, and dwarf to dwarf should be 5-10, with 100% of non-dwarf cubs lethally mutated? Meh, even holding other cubs hostage for the higher chances is iffy, since even special-marked cubs aren't that valuable anyhow.

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I think the 50-60% death rate would even that out. Like there's more chance you get NO cubs at all than dwarf or even normal cubs.

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I support. More realistic

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NO thanks!

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I support!!! I'd love if Dwarves could pass naturally, even if just at 10%

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I'm not a big fan of this. Way back when, I use to have several dwarves. After getting the one, it was honestly already pretty easy to get multiple. I've seen a pattern with that among many players too. Several players who've got a dwarf usually have multiple.

I already feel like dwarves are underpriced- considering how hard it is to breed them without the use of a lion scrotum. It'd disappoint me if they got even more devalued by the increased possibility they'll pass if a dwarf is bred to a dwarf. I love dwarves, they're the cutest things ever, but this really would just take from their value...

No support.

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Anybody want this small bean XD
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794148954770

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Milo: Oh my god, they're adorable, take my soul. If you're looking to sell them, though, you should probably post about that somewhere else just so the staff don't yell at you for posting in the wrong section. But if you're giving them away.....rofl

ANYWAYS
I definitely agree with this, especially with Alintune's statement. I don't even bother buying lion balls because they're really only useful in breeding dwarfs. They should go, and dwarfs should get a natural breeding chance like hybrids, OG fur, and primals. It would make way more sense, and would be more realistic. While increasing the lethality would be more realistic as well, I think that it would be a bit unrealistic here if the cub was still listed as just a dwarf, and I feel like having an entire litter die would enrage quite a few players. Perhaps, though, maybe these 'unviable' cubs could become a mutation of their own? Undeveloped Dwarf or smth. Raise the natural passing of dwarves but still ensure that it is more likely to gain a normal cub, and then have a completely dead litter consist of only a cub or two and a new lethal mut that dies upon ro. Hopefully that made some sort of sense, there's a lot of thoughts going through my head that I'm just kinda throwing into this message. I'll reword if necessary :)

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thanks but noboody seems to want her idk why she pretty cute i thaught here was a better place. thanks anyways

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I support!! if you breed two of the same mutations, it should be a higher chance of passing!!

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