Posted by Stud Slots Refresh Adjustment

Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:22:44
Hi everyone!

I will try to keep this short and to the point.
Since it seems like Lioden developers are trying to prevent any lion and item freezing, I will go ahead and point out to them another abuse.

Main point is: We have the studding system. Back then, it caused a lot of problems when people overused the feature, even made free breedings, making competition impossible.

This was fixed with the implementation of the stud slots. Now, we have 15 slots weekly, which refresh on Mondays.

We also have the Cape Bulrush, which adds 3 more slots.

But there is a problem. People can bypass the need for more studding slots and freeze their males effectively, making them last way too long on the stud market.

Why?


Because the stud slots automatically refresh weekly.

Example: Lets say I have a nice stud with about 9k or 10k stats, awesome markings. Well desired by players. My slots get taken almost instantly when the week starts. Instead of rolling over the next day, however, I just roll over next week -telling everyone beforehand when-, maybe on Monday again to see all my slots restored. Now I have 15 slots again and my lion only aged 1 month.

Now, if I kinged my male at -say- 6 years, this means he will have about 1800 slots(!) to sell until he reaches 16 years. That without using any GB items. That is a big number.

What do I suggest?
Have the stud slots reset every 7 rollovers instead of weekly.

This way, if I king my male at 6 years, I can only sell about 258 slots. That without any GB items, no matter what I do. This seems more realistic to me, allowing no freezing of lions and abusing the automatic reset system this way. Plus it would make Cape Bulrush so much more desirable. Who the hell has to buy Cape Bulrush at all this way?

I mean, why do we even have the slots if it can be bypassed so ridiculously easily? Sure, it takes a week wait but for this, your lion ages ridiculously slowly and you can sell numerous slots.

I am open to other suggestions.

Thanks for reading.



This suggestion has 13 supports and 150 NO supports.



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Edited on 23/07/17 @ 14:04:38 by Axel (#6627)

ambers II ๐ŸŒ“๐ŸŒ  (#54263)

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2017-07-23 13:28:48
They can still bypass this with traditional breeding no?



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:32:27
Traditional breeding is not an official feature. Lioden does not support it. As far as I know, you can get in trouble if you go as far as advertise that you do traditional breeding, since it is considered promise transaction.



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ambers II ๐ŸŒ“๐ŸŒ  (#54263)

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2017-07-23 13:36:52
But a good majority of people with high stat studs still do it right? They can easily use that to bypass this feature. Even in the potential situation where someone does get scammed, word tends to get around. It doesn't help that there are offline "burn books" about people that people go to whenever there are prevalent scammers on LD.



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:42:43
This is why I would love to make tradional breeding against the ToS.
This bypasses everything you try to suggest.

Not to mention I dont understand why the staff still allows this to be so openly used. This bypasses everything, including the limit they put up and the need for the GB item Cape Bulrush. I expected them making traditional studding against the rules once they implemented a way to extend the slots.

This actually reduces income.

But we got to start somewhere. And well, this is the somewhere.

Obviously the idea wont be liked by breeders but oh well. This suggestion is less for them and more for the developers.



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Edited on 23/07/17 @ 13:45:01 by Axel (#6627)

Lex ๐Ÿฆ‹ {Brief
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2017-07-23 13:43:37

Traditional breeding is allowed but not monitored. A lot of people make extra currency from traditional breeds- and that's their right. "Every 7 rollovers" wouldn't bypass this, it would just cause for more people to be open to traditional breeds and run the risk of getting scammed- and make it harder to find studs that have stud slots left for project breeds or breeds of expensive lions that people don't want to risk getting scammed out of.

For multiple reasons, i do not support.



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:46:44
Then, I might as well extend my idea with making Traditional breeding against the rules. Especially now when we have an actual GB item that adds more slots.
If they turn more towards this feature because of the limits, it is honestly their problem and their own chosen risk anyway.



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Lex ๐Ÿฆ‹ {Brief
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2017-07-23 13:49:56
Traditional breeding was against the rules. It always was until This news post was posted. Staff changed this rule because people were doing it anyways, and people were continuing to do it.
It also doesn't make much sense to say "Make Trad Breeding against the rules," but try to implement a feature that if in place would cause people to seek traditional breedings more often.
I don't see how this suggestion would help anyone, only hinder a lot of people and create more issues.



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:51:06
Then how do you suggest we stop stud freezing?

This is a major abuse. Just like traditional breeding entirely bypassing Cape Bulrush and stud slots in general.

I dont understand how the developers didnt yet try to put in some kind of feature to prevent this kind of breeding.



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Edited on 23/07/17 @ 13:52:09 by Axel (#6627)

Lex ๐Ÿฆ‹ {Brief
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2017-07-23 13:54:53
I personally don't think Stud Freezing is an issue. I hadn't heard of it being an issue for anyone before i saw this thread. If a player chooses to freeze their side account, main account, whichever, then they lose out on the profits they could be making from event items/etc on that account. In events like September, that's hundreds of GB in profit they could lose by leaving their king until the next monday.

I think it should be left exactly the way it is now



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:57:03
Of course for most people it wont be an issue xD They love having unlimited slots and long.lasting studs.
It is just the competition that has it bad. And Lioden, of course.



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Edited on 23/07/17 @ 13:57:44 by Axel (#6627)

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2017-07-23 13:59:02
I don't really see an issue in this. The reason lions don't age unless rolled is so that users don't have to get on daily if they don't choose. Same would go for studs. If a player sells all fifteen in a day good for them. Every other player still has 15 slots as well. They could adjust prices if they wished to sell out as fast and freeze their account. It's all about preference of play style.

I have to agree with Lex here that they take other potential income losses, and it's their choice to play the game as such.

She's already made the point on traditionals that I planned to as well so I'll leave it as that

That said, no support from me. Sorry!



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2017-07-23 14:00:01
Surely this would also penalize those of us that, let's say, have legitimate reasons for not being able to play the game for a long period of time?

Let's say somebody gets really sick, or someone dies - they aren't going to want to roll their main account, but they may roll their side account - which has fewer lions, and is easier to manage - to stay in touch with people or to update people as to their whereabouts. This means that instead of them coming back and being able to resume as normal, they're going to have to roll seven times without any stud slots, whereas they would automatically be renewed on the monday otherwise.

It may be extreme to think of it this way, but it happens. I can see lots of players - not just stat kings - abandoning the game if this was implemented. No support.



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ambers II ๐ŸŒ“๐ŸŒ  (#54263)

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2017-07-23 14:00:35
Honestly, by this and point and time in the game I think that we shouldn't have anything done to the stud market. While the gorilla enclave was successful in putting some value to otherwise garbage cubs, it's going to be extremely hard to have a feature like that done to studs to actually make them more valuable. I just don't see this feature fixing anything but making more problems.



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2017-07-23 14:05:51
I do not support. All I can see this doing is causing more havoc than there is needed. I don't care the reason, traditional breeding is allowed but not monitored as Lex mentioned, and if someone gets scammed, that's that, not LD's fault, the player's fault. I also think that freezing studs should be left as it is, I don't find any issues with the way things are now, and I'd rather leave it as it is.



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Fraekinn [FROZEN] (#57572)


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2017-07-23 14:06:10
Also, just a subtle reminder that real life lions can breed 50 times a day, I'd say 15 times a week is perfectly reasonable.



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Edited on 23/07/17 @ 14:07:19 by Taevali (#57572)







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