Hello all! I am here to suggest that the combo base Nadir be changed from a common base to a special or rare base (more likely rare, judging from some scry outcomes below). Why? I'll post some evidence below.

Nadir is comprised of breeding two specific bases together. These bases are:



ALL bases needed to breed Nadir are special/rare (2 are even combo bases themselves, making obtaining those bases even harder), so why is Nadir a common? Not only that, but all of the bases required to breed Nadir are on the pricier side of the market, as they are all also not extremely easy to breed since they are, in fact, special/rare. (The easiest to obtain being Ebony, which is required in other combo breedings so it is usually priced above 1-2gb for a cub.)

That aside, I have looked at the pass rate of Nadir in my king and other Nadir base kings.

Out of 50ish cubs (more like 70ish since I chase quite a lot), my last king produced 2 Nadir cubs. That does not seem like the pass-rate of a common rarity base.

Some other Nadir king's cubs pass-rates include (this is not knowing their amount of chased cubs):
- 0 of 41
- 0 of 7
- 0 of 39
- 0 of 91
^ This includes only kings with more than 1 cub.

^ Date these numbers were taken: October 13th, 2018 - outdated information.


Common, by nature of its definition, implies that almost every cub should be popping out Nadir or another common base possible from the breeding which is not the case (see my scry findings below).

Another bit of evidence includes that in total, kings and pride members, there are only 76 Nadir lions total in game, much less than many special bases out there. Though this could be in part due to player desire to breed the base, this number seems very low for a common quality base.

^ 01/20/2019 Update - outdated but still relevant so I'm leaving it here: There are now 130 total Nadir lions in game. This means since October 2018 (4 months), only 54 Nadir lions have been born. To put that in perspective, there are still more Kimanjano lions in game than Nadir even with the reduced pass rate of Kimanjano (over 400).

Players are more apt to breed to a base with the "Special" or "Rare" tag, for obvious reasons. Breeding for rarity is a huge appeal of the game, and it feels like Nadir got the short end of the stick given what is needed to breed it. That is to say (directing this toward the admins), just increasing the pass rate is not the fairest or optimal change to people currently with Nadir kings or attempting to breed Nadir for its true rarity.

Thoughts on this suggestion are appreciated.

Now for some Scry statistics (my previous king was used so the link may be broken to my king):

Findings -

First Batch of Scries:
2 of 100 - Nadir (common)
0 of 100 - Ebony (rare)
^ Showing all possible specials/rares from the breeding of Nadir (common) x Ebony (rare)

Second Batch:
2 of 100 - Nadir (common)
3 of 100 - Ebony (rare)
0 of 100 - Black Rose (special - combo - not possible)
10 of 100 - Shedua (rare)
^ Showing all possible specials/rares from the breeding of Nadir (common) x Black Rose (special - combo)

Third Batch:
3 of 100 - Nadir (common)
0 of 100 - Ardor (special)
5 of 100 - Flint (rare)
3 of 100 - Shedua (rare)
2 of 100 - Ashen (rare)
4 of 100 - Umber (rare)
1 of 100 - Ebony (rare)
^ Showing all possible specials/rares from the breeding of Nadir (common) x Ardor (special)

Total Nadir Pass Rate Percentage: 7/300 = 2.33%

Another batch out of curiosity:
0 of 100 - Nadir (common)
^ Showing Nadir pass rate from the breeding of Nadir (common) x Nadir (common)

Total Nadir Pass Rate Percentage: 0/100 = 0%