Posted by [Jul] Demiurge as July RAFFLE base! [July '19]

JAX • 3.12.21
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2019-06-30 17:42:23
Firstly, let me congratulate Fox on getting their suggestion into the game! While I would've preferred a space-themed gold, Leonids (called Demiurge) in the game is quite nice!

However, I was a bit dismayed to find out that that wonderful base does not appear to be the one that will be raffled off. According to this, it appears Fox's base (rename Demiurge) is going to be applicable while this thing is going to be the raffle:

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I feel like this is backwards. Fox's base, at least in my opinion, it's infinitely more desirable and raffle worthy than Staff's leonid (which, If Im totally honest, looks more like it could be an Interstellar/Sunset combination or just Interstellar itself but watered way, way down). Competition for the July base can be fierce and a lot of that is contingent on how desirable the base it. My suggestion is that we make Demiurge the raffle base and give Leonid the Applicator or Combo treatment.

THIS is the base worth that fierce competition:
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Compromise?



I'm not an unreasonable person (usually), and would be up for a compromise. We could make BOTH bases raffle bases and show up the majority of the time during the July raffle. Other older bases like Sunrise, Celestial, Sidereal, and Skyward would be less common. Sample roulette RNG:

35% - Demiurge
35% - Leonids
10% - Sunrise
5% - Sunset
5% - Celestial
5% - Sidereal
5% - Skyward

This would divide interest in the bases and stop them from saturating the market so quickly, which means they would hold value instead of the mad scramble we had last year with Sunrise and even before that with Sunset (there's still nearly 400 sunset kings two years later versus the 133 sunrise kings from just a year ago).



This suggestion has 22 supports and 72 NO supports.



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Edited on 23/07/19 @ 19:06:36 by a Moderator

Rolling for April (#125490)


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2019-06-30 17:52:37
Honestly, I really love both bases. One should be raffle and one should be applicable since they're both BEAUTIFUL.

I have to no support this. While I'm dismayed, I think that Leonids fits raffle much better. It fits in with all of the other july bases.
Demisurge pops out way too much and would be a huge change from the previous ones as it is very detailed and eye-catching.

I wish both could be raffle in all honesty lol. They both deserve it.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2019-06-30 17:54:59
I mean, so does Sunrise? It's literally bright red while the other bases are dark.

3 of the 5 July bases are black with speckles. Demi fits that much more closely than Leonid does. And I'd be down for them both being raffle, if the the previous raffle bases were either completely removed or occured with much less frequency. If we have to wade through 4 previous specials to get the 5th, it'll be literal hell lol.



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Kelpy (#136803)

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2019-06-30 18:02:38
Complexity wise, Demiurge looks like a darkened version of Skyward. I think it has a lot more potential than Leonid.

So I'm supporting the switch



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 18:03:00 by Kelpy [FULL Ebony] (#136803)

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2019-06-30 18:05:26
I honestly think I butchered my first reply because I'm overly tired.

You do have a point.
But Demi stands out in the fact that it's,,, well,, a new purple-ish base for starters. I'd really like to keep it applicator because it's a beautiful color and the first close to purple base we have that's not breed only.
Sunrise stands out in its own unique way. It's a bright pink. Leonids seems to fit that softer, but stand out-ish theme of previous raffle bases. Demi pops out and has a lot going on pattern-wise.

If you use the speckles argument, both of these new bases have the speckles so I mean...

Oh, of course, adding two new raffle bases would be absolute hell. Sunrise was a mess, I remember that very clearly.
Both bases were amazingly designed and both deserve the breed-only quality.

If I don't make sense let me know because god i'm fucking tired



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shenanigans (#23653)


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2019-06-30 18:07:10
While I don't think the current raffle base, Leonid, is terrible I do agree that Demiurge is too pretty to be an app base - it deserves more. I could easily see it being a July raffle base and I think it deserves that rarity.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2019-06-30 18:09:44
Thank you!

Rox brought up an interesting compromise however. Have them both be raffle, maybe leave Heavenly as the applicator base?

I'd be cool with this, as long as the old july specials were more or less removed from the picture

Example:
Leonids: 40% chance
Demiurge: 40% Chance
Sunrise: 15% Chance
Celestial, Skyward, and Sidereal: 5%

Let's face it, the old bases aren't as exciting a they used to be and whenever the pop up its just wasting precious hours until a new base comes around.



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2019-06-30 18:13:01
I mean true. I could honestly agree with getting rid of Skyward and maybe Sunset or something from the queue. One of the lesser cared about bases that has plenty of lions in game with the base.

And I don't think they'd do 40%. Maybe something more like 25-30 pfff.



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2019-06-30 18:13:27
"But Demi stands out in the fact that it's,,, well,, a new purple-ish base for starters." But Sunset was purple.

Temporal was purple too. Lilac is purple. I don't there are any purple-ish bases on site that are applicator, now that I think of it. Why is it okay for Sunrise to stand out, but Demiurge can't? Demi doesn't pop at all. It's mostly likely a black base which light (albeit more pronounced) speckling.

Leonid is like...black, touched with purple and has a gorgeous speckle pattern, but now we're just arguing over aesthetics. My point is what Shen made: It's way too pretty to be a applicator base.



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2019-06-30 18:14:32
I think the Sunrise fiasco was caused more by user-generated drama which shouldn't be as much of a problem now. Anyways, the entire userbase shouldn't be punished for the actions of a vocal few.

I would completely support the chance to have both demiurge and leonid as raffle-only bases, and I agree with you that leonid really does look similar to divine as if it were a combo base. I just think it'll be a waste to make such a pretty base an applicator one that will be relatively easy to obtain versus giving the base it's time to shine like sunset. It detracts from the enjoyability of the base in my opinion, despite the fact it's one of the prettiest on LD. Skyward, celestial, and sidereal have already spread anyways and while they should be part of raffles for those breeders they don't need as much of a spotlight as they once did, lest they become overly common and devalued.

Furthermore, it's lost profit for Lioden, as I'd definitely invest some money, if I could, to work towards a special and pretty base such as Demiurge.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 18:16:11 by shenanigans - {Çɮ} (#23653)

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2019-06-30 18:16:19
shit I forgot about lilac again damnit
temporal is a month only combo tho, that can only be bred outside October as Temporal x Temporal or a crunchy worm.
I'd just really like to keep a semi-purple/purple base applicator.

oh I agree that it's too pretty to be a app base, but they wouldn't go for 2 raffle bases I don't think. I could go behind this thread if it was adding both as a raffle base instead.
But that would leave a base applicator out of Tefnut's shop unless they decided to yeet Divine in there, which I'm not really sure where that's going atm???



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Shasta Rou (#4673)

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2019-06-30 18:16:42
I love both and would be happy either way. However it is an extremely nice change of pace to see an applicator base that is beautiful... its been a very long time seeing one but hey thats just my opinion. so I kinda hope it stays how it will be



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JAX • 3.12.21
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2019-06-30 18:17:17
Basically what Shen said. You literally pick up meteorites from just hitting explore, and they're set at 3000 atm. It's a gorgeous base, but before long, it'll be a dime a dozen which kills the fun of it.

Leonids isn't a bad base. But it's not July Quality. You wouldn't catch me dead paying IRL money or 500gb for it, that's for sure lol



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2019-06-30 18:18:08
I support having both of them as raffle bases as well, and I think that would cause less tension amongst users who prefer the current raffle base for their own valid reasons and opinions.

I think two raffle bases would add some excitement and would please a wider array of aesthetic preferences and it wouldn't be too much were raffle percentages for older bases adjusted. I'd rather have two raffle bases than another base in tefnut's shop, and they could add a leonid or demiurge marking app instead.

Part of the fun of some of the most beautiful LD bases is thanks in part to their rarity and difficulty to obtain, as well. That makes the experience more special, in my opinion, and demiurge deserves it's time to shine as well.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 18:20:35 by shenanigans - {Çɮ} (#23653)

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2019-06-30 18:22:57
Also, if the site is split between which base it wants, it may increase the market price life of both bases overall since people wont be focused on just one, but two.

Anyway, I've updated the OP to include the compromise. Tell me what you all think of the numbers!



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2019-06-30 18:25:14
I really hope demiurge get's the rarity it deserves, as I'd spend USD to invest in a breeding project with it - it's gorgeous! And Leonid fans won't have much to complain about with a reasonable compromise either.



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