So in general, there are three definitions for dirty and clean. This is because players came up with clean vs dirty, so there isn't one agreed upon term.


The first is INBREEDING:

A dirty lion is a lion that has inbreeding. This can can mean that a cub's father is also his grandfather, and the easiest way to check this is by looking at a lion's heritage. If the names reoccur, this lion may b inbred, and would be considered dirty.

A clean lion, thus, is one that has no inbreeding. Examples of this are chased lionesses that have no heritage. The shorter a lion's heritage, the easier it is to confirm a lion is not inbred, which is why "Gen 2" and "Gen 3" may be advertised. This is a way of saying that a lion's heritage only extends back 1 or 2 generations.

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The second definition is BIG FOUR

Big four lions are four high-stat kings that appear in a lot of cub lineages. They are:
Keyser Soze
HOT HOT TATER TOT
Boombah
The Savannah Prince

If a lion is dirty, you may find one of these kings in their heritage.

A clean lion would not have these kings in their heritage, but MAY still contain inbreeding.

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The third definition is both INBREEDING AND BIG FOUR. In this case, a lion is only clean if they fulfill both requirements listed above. You may see the term Squeaky Clean thrown around here. In my personal experience, this is the most commonly referred to definition of clean.

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Clean breeding has no impact on the game because it was designed by players. It's mostly a challenge, by trying to avoid inbreeding and the stat kings listed above. The price inflation you see is because there's been more of a player-based interest in clean lions, so folks can charge more, especially for mutations or high statted lions. This is also why this month, May, is important for players who choose to breed clean lions. May is the month where male groupies become available. By heritage replacing your main lion (Aka, using the groupie as an heir while KEEPING the looks of your previous lion), you can make any main lion have NO heritage, just like a newly rolled lion. In November, male groupies can be worth several GB due to clean breeders needing heirs around that time period.

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Icy - correct. Once a lion has a big 4 lion/inbreeding it is forever dirty, there's no way for cubs to be "clean" if such lions are in heritage. The inbreeding may go from first page after generations but its still there, able to be seen checking the heritage back, so it cannot really be "bred out".

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Can I ask all of you who started this clean/dirty movement in LD?

There must be a thread or something with or without votes.

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Usually, Clean means the lion has no inbreeding and is not related to the Big 4 lions. Dirty is lions that are inbred and/or related to the Big 4.

The generation of a lion, is how many lines of ancestors it has! Gen 1 lions have NO ancestors at all - both parents say Unknown, and not a single line of the heritage is filled.
Gen 2 lions are children of two Gen 1 lions - so the Gen 2 lion only has a Father and a Mother, and no further heritage.

That doesnt affect game, its just that people prefer them because they make it easier to avoid inbreeding. Its much easier to check a G2 lion if its related to one of your lions, than to check a lion with many heritage lines filled. Inbreeding doesnt do anything, either, but people still dislike it.

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@Mad Hyena
So if i got this right inbreeding is when one of my pride members is closely related to all 4 main ancestors.
This is so confusing i can't even set an example.
Let's say i have a cub. And if the first 4 lions in his heritage are his dad, grandpa and his great-grandfather - the cub is considered dirty?

It doesn't effect the game but so many people are setting higher prices because their lion is gen 1 or gen 2.

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No, the Big 4 are the other players' lions that might be in heritage - Boombah, Keyser Soze, etc! I dont remember all of them - I never bought any lions above gen 2. Those studs were huge statted lions back in the day, and many lions are related to them, so people want to avoid breeding to those because they were heavily inbred.

Inbreeding is when any lion is repeated in the heritage. So if a lioness is bred back to her dad, or to her grandfather, she's inbred. Inbreeding is counted everywhere - even if it happened many generations ago! That's why many people prefer shorter heritage - so they dont have to click through pages of lions checking if its inbred.

People prefer it because Lioden is more of an RPG than a pet sim, I guess! Applying pet sim mindset here always leads to frustration. Lioden is more an RPG where lions are characters, and people like to treat them as characters and not have any incest in their bloodlines.

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@Mad Hyena
Lol, what a funny reason. I think i got it tho. And i find it more like a pet sim. If i choose one of my lions to become a character i wouldn't pay less attention if it's inbred or not because it has no ingame effect whatsoever.

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@Minubell [Side]
Thank you for the clarification. I'll keep the male groupies till November.

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Its quite hard to tell who started it? It was already a thing when I joined in 2014 so it started even earlier than that. It was probably a forum thread clan because clans werent yet a thing back then.

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Sorry but when I joined the same year the only place where g1 and g2 took place was on hybrids, maybe they were in some players but when I was active about two years ago it wasn't so global in LD. Now it's literally everywhere and spread like fire.
So by your words I take it some clans started mass spreading this to kings and lions as well and that is when it started getting viral.

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It was most certainly global on Lioden 2 years ago, perhaps you just didnt pay it attention back then? Because I am playing Hard Mode since 2016, and due to caring for heritages all the way back then, I can tell for sure it was a big thing already.

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I guess all it impacts is the selling price of the lions? Does this sound right?

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Hello I have a question. So if my main male is a cub from Indra who is one of the big 4 there is no way to my cubs be clean? I underdstand it right?

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Oh, okay. Thanks for help Mad Hyena

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If one of my cubs is dirty is there any way to make then not dirty?

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