Personally, I think it's more of a preference, I don't exactly mind clean or dirty breeding but clean breeding is harder to do therefore costs more money. That's just how I see it.

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As far as I know, lions are not some of the species that do incest.
This is why I am a clean breeder personally. I understand some species do do incest, but lions is not one of those species.

Normally, once an adolescent lioness comes of age, she leaves the pride to search for a mate. Maybe this is why some players are against incest breeding. Same process for adolescent male lions.

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@Holly (Main)

Sorry but I don't think you actually know how lions work in the wild.
When a female gives birth to a female in the pride, her daughter is bred to her father because the females stay in the pride after they grow up, only males are chased by the leading male of the pride.

If the females left as well there wouldn't be a pride to look after. If the main male has three lionesses, they will die of old age and there wouldn't be a pride.

If your information comes from "The lion king" I suggest you don't pay attention because it's a movie for little kids, they won't tell the truth to little kids. xD
I suggest you watch a few documentaries on the topic because it's really informative.

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I don't think it rules entirely over lioden.

When I first started playing I had no interest in "clean" lions. I just wanted appealing ones (muties, cool markings, lots of color, etc.) but as I've played I actually got BORED of Lioden when I personally did that. I joined hardmode (basically, clean lion galore) and finally had something to do. Wanting clean lions is okay, not caring if they're clean or not isn't okay.

Clean breeding does cost more and dirty breeding does result in a lot of chases from clean prides. Personally, I see chasing as giving away lions. Imagine getting a newly claimed lioness that has a ROSETTE marking, when before it could've had little to no value... it'd now have a lot, whether you kept it or not. I can see your intent with this post, but I don't think there's anything wrong with clean and dirty breeding. It's just a preference.

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Not to be rude, but as soon as I made it a quarter of the way through your post I was laughing my tail feathers off.

Because yes, a game with purple lions covered in fire who talk to literal gods, fight monsters, visit heaven and hell, that's totally completely based on reality. :P We most definitely see bright red rosette lions with demon wings and lava spikes in IRL, everywhere in the wild. Totally.

/s

But enough sarcasm. Folks will play the game however they want to. I choose to play heavily fantasy-based lions and breed them cleanly; that's my preference. I'm not forcing anyone else to play the game exactly how I do, and if anybody told me my method was wrong, I'd laugh them out of the door and block 'em for good measure. It's a game. Folks should be able to play how they want, regardless of anyone else's views.

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@Verridith
Okay that is your way of playing. You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. Although when 500 players for example choose to play that way the others that don't choose to are at a loss because only a few players would want to buy/trade/stud to their "dirty" lions/hybrids. And they are forced to play by the way of "clean/dirty" just so they can have a chance to progress in the game.

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Nobody is making you chase "dirty" lions, clean/dirty is just a preference of some people on how to play their game, you are always free to play the game whatever way you want. People are allowed to play their game the way they want, if they want to care about inbreeding in heritage - they have their right to care for it. If you dont care for heritage, then just dont and play your game the way you like - but you cant call other people's way of playing "unfair" just because you dont like it.

I play Hard Mode, to me, even clean breeders are nowhere near clean enough but Im not trying to make them into following the way I play the game, I just close the tab and look elsewhere for a lion I need. There is just no way to make other people do or dont do something; every person has all their rights to play Lioden the way they like it. Voting or discussing wont change anything, it will only get a heap of hate gathered and possibly getting in trouble with moderators; as, per game Code of Conduct:

1.28 Do not try to control what other people do, or how other people play the game.

If a lot of people prefer that kind of gameplay, its just that. Many people prefer that kind of gameplay. It doesnt make it "unfair" because you dont like it. Just like stats, many, many people care for them - I personally dont at all care for stats, I think they're boring numbers on a page that dont do anything, but that doesnt mean other people should stop caring for stats! The only thing to do here is just accept my cubs wont sell as high as they would with 2000+ stats, but I cant at all be bothered to work for stats - something I dont care about and find boring.

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It's not that hard, nor expensive, to just mut rep your king with a clean, very cheap piebald or patches, but I understand your perspective. However, it's not extremely rare to sell dirty lions, you just have to wait longer.

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@Mad Hyena
I am not trying to control anything. This is a discussion based on a vote and everyone has a right to an opinion just like you.
It's a good thing you know your rights tho. That's very practical.

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Not clean/dirty detractors making a big deal over this again. It's 2021 and users like you have been doing this since I made the playstyle.

So here's some lore for you: When I made clean/dirty I made it for myself. It was a self-challenge that spread completely naturally through the game. Users, for the most part, took on the playstyle quite willingly. Therefore, there's no real reason to complain or have a vote on whether you agree or not? I fail to see what this thread is trying to accomplish? Suggestions and the voting system are for game suggestions, not "I dont agree with this playstyle, who's with me?"

Chill dude. It's not that serious.

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@JaxHammer
I'm chill as chill one can be.

"When 500 players for example choose to play that way the others that don't choose to are at a loss because only a few players would want to buy/trade/stud to their "dirty" lions/hybrids. And they are forced to play by the way of "clean/dirty" just so they can have a chance to progress in the game."

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Don't let clean's popularity fool you. The dirty breeding community is still plenty big. Many people do both types of breeding

Like Hyena said, no one's forcing you to breed clean *shrug* Everyone has to adjust to the market, no matter how it changes.

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Bruh, tell it to the empty posted players that can't sell their "dirty" dwarf's heat or the full stud slots of their "dirty" patches king. In the TC even "dirty" hybrids don't sell and are forced to lower their prices because of this trend.

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And how is that clean breeders fault? Like I said, everyone has to adjust to the market however it moves.

It's the same story with dirty breeders; you're sore your lions aren't selling, you blame us. S'not our fault. Adapt or get left behind.

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Lol, by your standards my king was unintentionally "squeaky clean" and I don't have problems with selling so far.
It's easy to say that "adapt or get left behind" when you are on top of the market. There is something called sympathy my friend. Not everyone can afford a "clean" decent looking pride and king.

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