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2022-03-04 21:36:42
Major edit! I don't stand by ANY of these ideas any new re ( minus the lion with teeth growing from it's head as later I will go into depth about it ) as all of these popped into my head late at night and I didn't really care if it worked in game or not as sleepy brain normally cuts out that thought process! But ty for explaining why most of these would be absolute ass to add ( and from a coder perspective I 100% agree it would be torment to add )


So i had a thought cause I was talking with a buddy who also likes muties , so we thought " hey what if some lethal mutations have a variant where they survive or have a longer life span? " so here are my examples with sketches! I also have reasons + resources, plus a few more mutation ideas! sorry if the images are HUGE I forgot to shrink them and not all of them have images as not much would change! all of these had help of my friend Mercutio on here :] he is a bio nerd

the first 8 have the example sketch images I would have made them detailed but I just wanted to get this idea out there fast!

1, multiple limbs! - survivable
this one will have an extra limb ALWAYS in the middle of the body! they will not drag they are just smaller lil legs!
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2, conjoined twin connected at tail variant!- survivable
In this variation, they are connected at the tip of the tail and will keep a similar pose to the cub form of the normal conjoined twin so the tail is visible! They could possibly have a chance of getting a random health message where the tail gets cut off so they both would still be " one " lion with the conjoined mutation with a scar and docked tails. my reasoning is, as I don't know how health messages work if one day a player logs on they won't be upset that one left and they must buy it back if they didn't have room!
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3, one eye!- survivable
this lion just has a missing eye at birth! there is still a socket but no eye? ( could be skinned over or just a socket?? the example is skinned over )
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4, elongated dewclaw!- survivable
this lion is born with a longer bigger dewclaw!
" is that a thumb? "
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5, teeth growing from the head!- survivable
this idea came from an Idaho mountain lion that was killed and found to have teeth that grown from it's head that looks like horns?
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6, cleft plate variation- still lethal but will live till adolescent, possibly adult
with this mutation, they can 100% live till adolescent and again possibly adult. if they make it to adult they get the same message as when they die as an adolescent, If they do not make it to adult there is a message the day or so before they pass where you can freeze them!
the message: " Cub/lion seems sick. there is something wrong with it's breathing. "

7, two head variation- survivable to a degree. same rules as deaf or blind WILL die around 4-5 years
with this variation, they ALWAYS have a chance of dying around 2 years 9 months giving time for if it's a lioness to breed! she will never die during pregnancy and feeding her new cubs. if you breed the lioness the day the message pops up that she's sick and will die next rollover, the day after her cubs grow up to where she doesn't need to feed them anymore the message will reappear.

8, ACTUALLY wings- survivable, can be passed down, and mixed!
i think it would be kinda cool to make a legacy of heirs with this mutation! It's literally just wings cause it could be cool!


9, NOW the grand finally our Lil mix mutation idea so here is how it might work just by us observing the game for the short time we have played!
ALL mutations will be separated into the following categories, things in the same categories can not mix, and fur/mane mutations are not listed as they might have different rules+ that can't logically be put in any of these!

" Base " mutations:
ALL primal types
all hybrids

" Physical " mutations:
all lethal
all non-lethal

" Patter" mutations:
all piebalds
all patches

in general, all " base " mutations can not have ANY mane/hair mutations as we have seen not even mane types show up.

Please be aware we came up with these for fun and to just throw some ideas to the wall! We do not claim to be the original makers of any of these ideas as we just were talking and came up with these ideas, and as a coder myself I know how hard some of these might be to code! So feel free to take these as they are, ideas! ( * cough * please add VSD * cough */j ) AND please give me feedback on what you think of these, please tell us if anyone has thought of these before!

Small little edit cause I was just thinking of it: if you specifically do not like the idea of adding VSD ( I deleted this from the post )

Edit 2: please read my comment as I talk about how I agree with the less lethal/non lethal mutations being kinda out there and shouldn't be added!



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Edited on 30/03/22 @ 21:04:17 by Void (#255037)

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2022-03-04 22:00:00
My bud wanted to reply with all of his art of these ideas so here you go @Mercutio 🦎it/he🦎



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Edited on 04/03/22 @ 22:12:11 by Void (#255037)

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2022-03-04 22:55:18
i respect your ideas and creativity, but i have one small strife with the overall concept of most of these mutations that you gave. you want to make mutations non lethal, or non lethal to a degree. the fact is though, nature is not very kind. lioden tries to be as realistic as it can be with mutations, which is why we have lethals in the first place. animals with any sort of genetic mutations like what you mentioned do not live without human intervention. theyre either neglected, killed, or die of their mutation.
the idea of conjoined tails does not make sense, as being conjoined happens at the embryo stage, meaning a tail isnt really in development at that point, it is vital organs and other body structures being grown. conjoined twins are almost always connected to a point that shares an organ, not a random bone. also, having the chance to have the tail "cut off" would make this mutation useless overall, as youd just end up having 2 bob tailed lions which is a mutation that already exists.
one eye is nothing special, neither is the dewclaw thing. with how poses in lioden are they'd also be pretty useless. in showing off the mutation too.
cleft palate and two headed are the same thing, where it just makes no sense to make a "less lethal" version of it, especially when its highly unlikely they'll live without human intervention. The only two headed animal in the wild to live more than a few months have been snakes and even then they dont live that long.
I also just don't see how a two headed lion would even end up being capable of taking care of cubs in the first place, because they arent even really able to eat by themselves, how are they supposed to care for cubs?

what would be the point of changing lethals and messing with the coding to make them live just a few days longer? they'll still be dying and still have to be frozen. and "mixing" mutations seems like a mess and a half that will never be a plausible addition.



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Edited on 04/03/22 @ 22:56:31 by mewflakes (#88492)

Min Yoongi 🇵🇸 (#191587)

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2022-03-04 23:53:42
I am sorry but No support, @Mewflakes has explained it very well, making the already lethal mutations survivable is not plausible. The cases where they might survive are with the intervention of humans and in the wild? not possible much which is what causes them to die in the first place.
Cleft palate for example, without getting surgery, the chances of them surviving in the wild are low to none, they can develop pneumonia (from aspiration), can also develop nasal and sinus infections as well. They are usually unable to eat and they fail to grow or even develop normally.

Another thing I'd like to add is for the teeth growing out of the head; I have actually read articles in that mountain lion before and it seems as though there isn't a clear answer as to how that was caused, there are theories on it but not a definite answer. Some are saying that it is a teratoma cancer that is tumors that are made up of tissues that can grow hair, teeth, muscle, and bone that could've caused the growth of the teeth and the other theory is that the mountain lion absorbed its twin when it was in the womb and that is the "remnant" of its twin.
I'm not saying it isn't possible for it to not occur but since there is little to no information on that specific situation it might be hard to make a mutation based on something that has vague information



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2022-03-05 08:41:32
Thank you two for the comments and explanations! ( I sadly can't @ or directly reply I don't know how but I am still gonna try and @ you both ) @MinYoongi|G3 3x Ros Ferus and @mewflake.

I fully get what you all are saying especially with the copies of mutations where they're just less lethal and how the mixed mutations would be absolutely ass to code and put into the game add on all the percentage changes that will probably have to be done! But I don't really agree with this game being as realistic as it can be, with its lethal mutations, OH absolutely they are very good about having them very accurate to real life. But like I have seen another poster say, if this game was fully realistic it wouldn't be fun at all, hell we can even get green or rainbow lions. Sometimes throwing away 100% accuracy for fun or a funky little idea is amazing! Especially with the actual wings mutation though it's not physically possible in the real world it's still a fun idea a good few people might like and even tigons aren't found out of captivity and there needs to be human intervention! I genuinely didn't like most of our ideas after rereading it I might separate the " odder " ones from this and make them a different post later on with a few more odd ideas I think would be funny/fun/cool to see!

Edit: I read that devs don't want extremely fantasy-based mutations so the wings is out of the questiuon as i didn't know that till a few minutes ago



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Edited on 05/03/22 @ 09:35:00 by Void (#255037)

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2022-03-19 22:14:12
The only thing I might agree with is the teeth coming out of the head. There have been a few instances where adult cougars have been found with that. Since they are adults, it can be quite assumed that they were healthy enough to hunt and live on their own.

Now. My biggest concern, is that lethals are hard to get and very valuable. Making them less lethal is a huge problem to me, especially with the market. I don't see too much of a point to it. The only possible compensation I can think of, is that they may survive till teen years, but they die for certain at 1.5 years. And even then, I only see this as plausible if there is a art change for teen lethal years.

I am gonna not support, but I love the idea of teeth/bones growing outdoors a lions normal body structures.



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Support for making non-lethal versions of lethal mut



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2023-06-23 11:39:34
Dewclaws and extra limbs are my faves. There are plenty instances where animals aren't bothered by the extra limbs/parts or even if they're missing so I rly like those



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-IdkWthIsGoingOn- (#441195)

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2023-08-10 07:07:07
I do not support! I agree with Mewflakes about the tail thing. All of these things will cause shortened lifespans! First, the extra limbs. Sometimes in real life, that can actually be Leiomyosarcoma (a cancerous growth), or a product of inbreeding, which also passes on diseases which can shorten the lion's lifespan! And with no way of the lions fixing this, lions with that mutation would probably have a shorter life, maybe until they are 7 months, because that would be a very large cancerous growth, or inbred diseases, not good. But other than that and the tail thing, there's just one more thing! The lions with teeth growing out of the head would also have a shortened lifespan, because that is a rare type of tumor called a teratoma, also a cancerous growth! All of these would be very unwanted mutations in the lioden community!

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Edited on 10/08/23 @ 07:09:29 by -IdkWthIsGoingOn- (#441195)

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2023-08-12 21:21:57
I Want teeth growing out from head !!

I 100% support the teeth growing out of Head suggestion, seems cool and would help with lion shilouettes ( helps them stand out of the crowd, am I right? )



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-IdkWthIsGoingOn- (#441195)

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2023-08-14 05:21:15
[@431796]

That may be true, but that doesnt mean it cant be lethal, especially with the extra body parts, which can very likely be teratomas, a rare type of tumor that can grow hair, teeth, and basically anything that a human has!



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2023-08-29 08:11:04
Ooh! The actual wings could be a result of a lion which scientists mixed their genes in the womb WITH bird wing genetics!



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2023-08-29 08:30:38
That would actually just not work and is entirely too fantasy to fit as a mutation in this game-



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2023-08-29 09:07:41
OMG I WANT A CERBERUS LION YES



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2023-08-29 09:09:10
Also i have done research, the extra body parts could not be teratomas, but the teeth definitely could!



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