Posted by Lethal White Overo

Ragnar (#455806)

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2023-12-22 10:23:27
This is a lethal mut based off of the irl LWO gene in horses. I loosely skimmed through suggestions to see if someone suggested the same or similar but didn't really find what I was looking for so feel free to yell at me if this has already been said lmao.

before the "uhm, ackshooaly" people come in, remember that a lot of bases and muts in the game aren't 'realistic' either. go away.


Anywho.


The tldr rundown, is that when two carriers with a copy of the gene are bred, the foal will come out entirely white and will not live past a few hours to a day after birth. The reason for this is because the digestive/intestinal tract did not fully develop.

How would this work in game? Rather than assigning a bunch of lions the LWO gene copy at random, the mutation could have a rare (3-7% ??) chance of happening when two piebald lions (Mainly Tovero, Tobiano, or Splash variants, basically anything with a high-white factor) are bred together.

This can be boosted with breeding items that increase the chance of potential mutations/lethality like Cotton Root Bark but only slightly.

The cub will come out mark-less (or the markings are all at 1% opacity) and entirely white. This does NOT affect the base color or the eye color- white markings are just markings and the white of LWO is one gigantic white spot.

Cubs could live one to two months. You can freeze them, obv.
I don't think a lineart change is really needed for this tbh as it's an internal defect rather than a really visible one (other than the white).

ETA; I changed my mind. New lineart would be a skinny, ribby cub to distinguish them better from achromia, also because they ain't getting food if their tum ain't working.



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Edited on 22/12/23 @ 10:35:39 by Dewdrop [Gifting Rodents] (#455806)

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2023-12-22 10:32:20
I feel like it would just look like achromia, and it wouldn't be a very appeasing mutation as far as i know.
did some very quick not very deep research, got:
"OLWS is a genetic mutation that affects horses with white markings and can lead to death in foals. Foals with two copies of this gene are born white with blue eyes and have intestines that don't fully develop."

also they would be unable to pass manure.
So the cub would have blue eyes, white fur and pinkish skin? I feel like it would be considerably weaker then normal cubs, so maybe a lineart change would make sense? I don't know how to explain it.
People like the cute lethals, or the ones with lineart change cause like then its just prettier, idk. Maybe the lineart could be it rolled on its back or lying down?

still considering whether i should support or not



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Edited on 22/12/23 @ 10:32:38 by Fancy fork (shit me 612/700) (#427147)

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2023-12-22 10:38:27
Yea i thought about the lineart making it more weak/sickly looking after I posted this.

The only reason I didn't suggest it at first is because all newborns are scraggly looking by default so I was like 'nah' but remembered lioden goes by 1 day = 1 month so after a month they WOULD be a lil fugly after a while. thank you!



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2023-12-22 12:14:47
Not sure if this should be added. LW is bound to equine color patterns, it is not something that can appear on other species, like Albinism or a partly absorbed twin, like Extra Limbs to list a lethal.



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2023-12-22 12:17:14
@Admiral

I think piebalds aren't really a lion specific mutation either and was also equine, I could be wrong idk anything about this stuff.
Think there are quite a lot of mutations that don't happen in lions



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2023-12-22 12:24:50
The problem I see here, is that OLW is only observed in horses that have two dominant Overo genes inherited from their parents.
Two Tobiano horses can not produce a OLW foal.

Piebalds themselves have been seen in other species too, like Mooses, deers, reptiles, foxes and probably some more (I'm not sure if that's all linked to one specific gene, probably not). There's only one lion that I know of, that had a form of Patches.



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2023-12-22 18:52:12
I listed Tobiano because I was targeting piebald variations with higher white factors. Not necessarily going for realism here, considering lion mutations pretty much never occur naturally due to the rate the recessive gene would be wiped out of a population without human intervention.
Besides, it isn't really *too* out of bounds, imo.

Ignoring the fact that lions have like minimal muts and weird stuff documented amongst all the big cats, color and mutation breeding (especially to the extent done on LD lmao) has consequences sooner or later, as seen irl and sometimes in LD (random lethals or hybrids).

I think it would be cool, even if my idea is pretty basic, to have a 'consequence' to color breeding whether it be LWO or some other variation. There's a bajillion colors, markings, and quite a few piebald variants so I think there's good potential.



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