Posted by sub males- "sneak to female in heat" opt
edaria (#33897)

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2014-06-09 04:41:15
We all know that sub males cant breed. many of us, due to lack of funding, are waiting months for their king to finally retire, in order to make a stud out of a better male. this wait is frustrating, especially to those of us who use both allowed accounts for projects and cannot "freeze" males.
there have been many suggestions of allowing sub males to stud. what I'm offering is a bit different.

say you have a female in heat.
say you also have a dreary king, and a beautiful heir as a sub.

the sub male will have an option to "sneak" to the female a set amount of times each day of her heat. say- 5 times a day. he will try to breed her. there will be a chance, a small chance, that is, that he wont be discovered and chased away by the king. it means that there will be only a small chance of a male actually breeding a female successfully.
that way, a player will have a chance to get more veriaty and use their heir before he becomes king, but the population of cubs wont overflow, because there is little chance of success.

if it is required, a fee can be involved as well. a fee per try, thus creating an SB sink of the game.

another option is that there would be a penalty to "getting caught". maybe hunger goes down, or a delay in sub patrol ("your lion is injured and cannot patrol again for an additional hour")

this option will also decrease the number of chased males, encouraging players to buy more sub slots.

I'm curious to hear your opinions on such an arrangement and suggestions for its improvement.



This suggestion has 309 supports and 22 NO supports.



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Axel (#6627)

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2014-06-09 05:15:54
I am sorry, I cannot support this.
We have been told clearly that absolutely no breeding with the submale will be implemented.

It is either you pay real money and retire early, or wait patiently for the male to reach 15 years.

All you need to do is train your submale all its life, then at the end of its life try to breed it to any of your females.... There ya go, you get super statted cubs... Even if it is rare, even a single time will give you an advantage.

No matter what chance or what limits, I dont support such ideas. I am sorry.



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Tiaret (#27435)

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2014-06-09 05:18:10
I do support it haha. I'm sorry, I really want to be able to breed my submales.



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Pasha (#5512)

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2014-06-09 05:18:49
Axel, when was that said? This sounds like a good idea. And even when you do have a nice male as your king, sometimes you want some different genes going in. I haven't even bothered to collect nice sub males that much because I know they won't have descendants.



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Nny (#257)

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2014-06-09 05:24:19
I don't support either for the same reasons as Axel, sorry darling. :c

Besides, weren't sub males implemented only to make sure you have a king to take over when yours dies since it was hard for many to have a male ready at that time or something?



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Cat (#5265)

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2014-06-09 05:26:00
I do recall admins at some point stating that subbies will never be able to breed, yet this topic still comes up every once in a while.

Nny, I think it was to make sure you have a male yes, since all 2 yr olds were chased so you had to sex change or breed at just the right time.



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Darklily (#5809)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 05:32:36
I don't support, also for the same reasons as Axel. If you like your heir, be patient or use 10GB to retire your male early. It's that simple.

Pasha, they did say that Subs aren't breedable.
"Male lions are not breedable and they cannot hunt. However, you may choose to switch your head lion to one of those when it comes around to retiring time."



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Axel (#6627)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 05:34:30
@Pasha:
It was at the meeting. The idea of breeding submales was brought up and while many wanted this, the admins were quick to say that they will not implement it due to the problems it carries to the market and stats.

And indeed. The submale slot was implemented due to the many complaints that it was hard to have a male cub under 2 years exactly when the main male died. So to satisfy these members, they implemented the submale slot.

So one can rightfully say that the submale is not a co-leader, thus has no right to breed, but is the heir, who will have to train and prepare for his future as king. he will breed when his time comes as leader of the pride.

And your submales will have descendants, after they become kings. Just choose carefully and have a relatively young submale which can take over the pride after your main male dies. All question of tactic.



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Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 05:34:44
No support for reasons listed by Axel and Darklily.



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edaria (#33897)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 18:24:57
Axel, while I do understand your reasons, let me point out that Stats are already broken at this point.
furthermore, it is quite common, in nature, for males to co-lead, and sneaking on a female while the male is absent does happen. so if we go for realism here, its a good compromise. not full co leading, but a chance.

what's more, right now sub males have only one job, which is to patrol. only one can do that and only every hour, so essentially, if you have two subs, one is useless. this gives another element, some interest, a reason to have more than two males at a time.

and lastly, let me point out that the future is never set in stone. just because something had been said doesnt mean that the creators cant change their mind if they so wish. so I see no harm in suggesting this. maybe it will be to their liking and if not, well, I tried.



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OrenOtter
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Posted on
2014-06-09 18:29:25
No support for reasons listed above. And admins specifically said 'no' to this. Several times.



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Seiden (#31503)

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2014-06-09 18:35:37
In real life, when two males (or more) are sharing a pride, they both breed the lioness. Then, yeah, why not?

I'm quite bored of having always the same markings on my cubs, because, of course, they all inherit the markings of my current king, then, they all look alike.... Having the possibility to breed with submales, or even only one chosen sub-King, would be a possibility to have some different genes in my pride.

I totally support this idea.



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Tufty (#29680)

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2014-06-09 18:38:15
Support. I really want this to happen, lol. Maybe a tiny tiny chance, like 5 %, and if he gets found out his hunger would go up, or he wouldn't be able to patrol for a long time, or something. And you would have to pay 50 SB the first time you tried, 100 SB the second time, and so on. It will probably never happen, and it would give players and advantage, but stats are way out of hand anyway and this sounds like fun.



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Doedels (#32367)

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2014-06-09 18:49:33
Funny, I thought exactly the same. That it's a small change. I see my submale already sneak to a girl in heat. Being the bad boy and try it. But indeed, there is a small chance, and if he get cought, there will be consequences. I wouldn't choose for sb, because then you can better stud with another male for other markings and stuff.
But that he's not able to patrol or that his hunger/joy is going down.



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Tufty (#29680)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 20:14:56
Perhaps the price to 'sneak' could even be GB? And as I stated before, a very small chance, like 5 %.



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Adora (#2477)

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Posted on
2014-06-09 20:27:44
I like it but I will not pay GB for it. Not every ones has GB so that would be unfair to people that do not have GB. It should cost SB.



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